[Princess]

I can't stand that man. He's ruined Take That.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Princess

I can't stand that man. He's ruined Take That.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Princess

I can't stand that man. He's ruined Take That.

He was a huge part of making TT. Something you should give him more credit for if you're a true fan.

And theyre more successful than ever with him back so I don't get the ruined bit. I saw them on Strictly(BBCiplayer) and they seemed to be getting on brilliantly joking around.

[Princess]

Originally Posted by Zippy

He was a huge part of making TT. Something you should give him more credit for if you're a true fan.

And theyre more successful than ever with him back so I don't get the ruined bit. I saw them on Strictly(BBCiplayer) and they seemed to be getting on brilliantly joking around.

HUGE part? Oh did he write the songs? Oh no that was Gary. Was he the last member to get picked for the band? Oh yeah he was. Was he the most loved member of the band? No that was Mark. Did he sing? About 2 songs. Did he dance? Nope that was Jason and Howard. He was not a huge part,he was a tiny part and when Take That came back without him it was obvious they worked fine without him,better even.

Since he's come back it's become the fecking Robbie show. Nearly every interview I've seen outside the UK hasn't had Jay and Howard in,in fecking Ireland it was just Robbie,Mark and Gary and that would never had happened if he wasn't there. His management is fecking everyone around. The fans are beyond pissed off at the minute,at the ticket changes and Howard and Jay being pushed to the back. He's not on,if he's meant to be in a band he should fecking act like he's meant to be in a band. He's there performing solo songs and acting like a solo artist,he's stealing all the limelight. And I hate it. I want to see the other 4.

As for success? The Circus actually sold faster and I'm sure even without Robbie that tour would have sold out in no time,Take That tours have been getting more and more popular as they go on. They played to 1.2 million last tour without any assistance from that twat. And the music was brilliant without him. They also got along brilliantly without him,it's one of the things I've always loved about Take That.

And I am a fecking true fan. I don't have to like every single thing they ever do,I have a mind of my own. I'm allowed to be annoyed and upset and pissed off. I liked Take That as a four,they were brilliant as a 4 and I miss that. I don't want the Robbie show,I want my 4.

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[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Princess

HUGE part? Oh did he write the songs? Oh no that was Gary. Was he the last member to get picked for the band? Oh yeah he was. Was he the most loved member of the band? No that was Mark. Did he sing? About 2 songs. Did he dance? Nope that was Jason and Howard. He was not a huge part,he was a tiny part and when Take That came back without him it was obvious they worked fine without him,better even.

Since he's come back it's become the fecking Robbie show. Nearly every interview I've seen outside the UK hasn't had Jay and Howard in,in fecking Ireland it was just Robbie,Mark and Gary and that would never had happened if he wasn't there. His management is fecking everyone around. The fans are beyond pissed off at the minute,at the ticket changes and Howard and Jay being pushed to the back. He's not on,if he's meant to be in a band he should fecking act like he's meant to be in a band. He's there performing solo songs and acting like a solo artist,he's stealing all the limelight. And I hate it. I want to see the other 4.

As for success? The Circus actually sold faster and I'm sure even without Robbie that tour would have sold out in no time,Take That tours have been getting more and more popular as they go on. They played to 1.2 million last tour without any assistance from that twat. And the music was brilliant without him. They also got along brilliantly without him,it's one of the things I've always loved about Take That.

And I am a fecking true fan. I don't have to like every single thing they ever do,I have a mind of my own. I'm allowed to be annoyed and upset and pissed off. I liked Take That as a four,they were brilliant as a 4 and I miss that. I don't want the Robbie show,I want my 4.

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so let me get this right here. You didn't like Take That when formed originally because of Robbie, and the years that they were together as the original bnd - but you loved them when he left? That's certainly how your post above reads.

That's what it sounds like, and if so, well I really don't think you can clss yourself as a true fan of the band as Robbie was part of the original set up. There seems to be a lot of bitterness in your words!

[KG.]

Originally Posted by Princess

HUGE part? Oh did he write the songs? Oh no that was Gary. Was he the last member to get picked for the band? Oh yeah he was. Was he the most loved member of the band? No that was Mark. Did he sing? About 2 songs. Did he dance? Nope that was Jason and Howard. He was not a huge part,he was a tiny part and when Take That came back without him it was obvious they worked fine without him,better even.

Since he's come back it's become the fecking Robbie show. Nearly every interview I've seen outside the UK hasn't had Jay and Howard in,in fecking Ireland it was just Robbie,Mark and Gary and that would never had happened if he wasn't there. His management is fecking everyone around. The fans are beyond pissed off at the minute,at the ticket changes and Howard and Jay being pushed to the back. He's not on,if he's meant to be in a band he should fecking act like he's meant to be in a band. He's there performing solo songs and acting like a solo artist,he's stealing all the limelight. And I hate it. I want to see the other 4.

As for success? The Circus actually sold faster and I'm sure even without Robbie that tour would have sold out in no time,Take That tours have been getting more and more popular as they go on. They played to 1.2 million last tour without any assistance from that twat. And the music was brilliant without him. They also got along brilliantly without him,it's one of the things I've always loved about Take That.

And I am a fecking true fan. I don't have to like every single thing they ever do,I have a mind of my own. I'm allowed to be annoyed and upset and pissed off. I liked Take That as a four,they were brilliant as a 4 and I miss that. I don't want the Robbie show,I want my 4.

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Sounds like a fake fan to me.

[Princess]

Originally Posted by KG.

Sounds like a fake fan to me.

A FAKE fan? Yeah cos seeing them live 8 times(7 of which weren't even in my country) and buying all their merchandise and watching all the progammes they're ever on,buying all the magazines they're ever in,knowing way too much about them. I am a massive Take That fan,I have just never liked Robbie.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Princess

A FAKE fan? Yeah cos seeing them live 8 times(7 of which weren't even in my country) and buying all their merchandise and watching all the progammes they're ever on,buying all the magazines they're ever in,knowing way too much about them. I am a massive Take That fan,I have just never liked Robbie.

the point you are not picking up on is: Take That was 5 members, with Robbie. I don't see how you can differentiate being a massive fan but state you dislike on of the band members. Surely any massive fan, takes the band as a band, and not as individuals?

[Princess]

Originally Posted by Snowball

the point you are not picking up on is: Take That was 5 members, with Robbie. I don't see how you can differentiate being a massive fan but state you dislike on of the band members. Surely any massive fan, takes the band as a band, and not as individuals?

But they never were my 5 for me,in the time I've liked them they've been a 4. Yeah they were a 5 but I wasn't a fan then. I don't see Robbie as a member,I see him as a solo artist cos that's what what he was when I became a Take That fan.

Oh and the 'my' thing,I always do that,we all do,we call them 'our boys'. Basically you're saying logically I should like Robbie?? I didn't say I was being logical.

[KG.]

Originally Posted by Princess

A FAKE fan? Yeah cos seeing them live 8 times(7 of which weren't even in my country) and buying all their merchandise and watching all the progammes they're ever on,buying all the magazines they're ever in,knowing way too much about them. I am a massive Take That fan,I have just never liked Robbie.

Imposter.

[Jack_]

Robbie is a living legend

Originally Posted by Zippy

He's not arrogant he's actually extremely insecure. Everybody should know that by now. That's just a stage persona he puts on so he can cope with his chronic nerves.

Sometimes you need to look past the obvious.

This.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Princess

I can't stand that man. He's ruined Take That.

Before, during or now?

I disagree. Robbie was an integral part of Take That, always was, and always will be. If he wasn't, the other members wouldn't have agreed to let him form the full band again.