[MrWong]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

. As for signing with JayZ, didn't Lady Sov sign with JayZ?........Who now?......

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Funny you should mention Lady Sov - in many ways, Cher reminds me of Lady Sov with the whole 'big woman,bad attitude' thing going on with very limited 'talent' - as you say Patsy, it didn't exactly lead to instant success - in fact - I recall when she went into CBB, very few people had heard of her. I do think that's the route Cher will be going down. I could of course be wrong, but I really don't think so. Time will tell eh!

Who knows how she would have done in the States the poor girl suffered a dark period of depression and self harm to the point of attempting to take her own life.

It’s so easy to mock Lady Sov’s lack of success in the States hey.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Who knows how she would have done in the States the poor girl suffered a dark period of depression and self harm to the point of attempting to take her own life.

It’s so easy to mock Lady Sov’s lack of success in the States hey.

All I know of Lady Sov is what I saw in CBB. Eww. What a horrid little narcissistic brat. That's not mocking, that's my perception and if she's going to opt for a career in the limelight she's begging for people's views of her. By going on CBB she's practically on bended knee asking for approval. Acting like she did - she's not going to get much of it. I'm sad to hear she suffered with depression but, surely, if that's the case, the last place on earth she should be is in the limelight? Is there no-one close to her who can call her aside and have a word.......which brings us nicely back to Cher. I personally tend to blame Smug and Smugger for her attitude, but surely there's someone in her family/circle of friends, who had the balls to tell her she was coming across as an Asbo waiting to happen?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

All I know of Lady Sov is what I saw in CBB.

Probably best to get clued up then before spouting off.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Probably best to get clued up then before spouting off.

The thread is about Cher, the forum is about X Factor. I'm plenty 'clued up' on both. From the little I've heard, she sounds like an even more pained strangled cat than Cher does. So no, I don't think I'll be exposing my delicate eardrums to any more of that nonsense. Thanks, though.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

The thread is about Cher, the forum is about X Factor. I'm plenty 'clued up' on both. From the little I've heard, she sounds like an even more pained strangled cat than Cher does. So no, I don't think I'll be exposing my delicate eardrums to any more of that nonsense. Thanks, though.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. This certainly is a thread about Cher.

My comment was about you mocking Sov’s career in the states. Just giving a few facts. I wasn’t asking you to listen to her music either so not sure why that was mentioned

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Who knows how she would have done in the States the poor girl suffered a dark period of depression and self harm to the point of attempting to take her own life.

It’s so easy to mock Lady Sov’s lack of success in the States hey.

Awww....are we pulling on the old 'shes had a hard life' sob story as an excuse for not being successful in the States (not that she had any real big success in the UK either for that matter).

A hell of a lot of people have very hard lives, with very troubled, difficult times and much trauma - with or without depression and with or without suicide attempts - Having a sob story doesn't make a person talented - and that includes Sov. Sad? Of course it is. Affected her success - debatable - talent is either there or it isn't. I favour the latter.

However, the thread has digressed a little only on the premise that there was comparison to Sov who Jay Z had signed and had very limited success with - and, from what I read from Patsy's posts, Pasty was offering her thoughts that she felt that Cher signing with Jay Z did not guarantee Cher any success - Sov being used as an example.

Talent has to be the overriding factor at some stage and she has very limited talent -Cher (but feel free to throw Sov into that same bracket, it's all the same to me). I'm sure you won't agree, but hey: that's my opinion on the matter.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Awww....are we pulling on the old 'shes had a hard life' sob story as an excuse for not being successful in the States (not that she had any real big success in the UK either for that matter).

A hell of a lot of people have very hard lives, with very troubled, difficult times and much trauma - with or without depression and with or without suicide attempts - Having a sob story doesn't make a person talented - and that includes Sov. Sad? Of course it is. Affected her success - debatable - talent is either there or it isn't. I favour the latter.

However, the thread has digressed a little only on the premise that there was comparison to Sov who Jay Z had signed and had very limited success with - and, from what I read from Patsy's posts, Pasty was offering her thoughts that she felt that Cher signing with Jay Z did not guarantee Cher any success - Sov being used as an example.

Who said anything about Sov having a hard life??? Only you it seems. I was just giving you a bit of background on why it all went tits-up for her in the US. So your little rant about others having a hard life is pointless.

Neither did i infer that her sob story made her talented. So not sure what you're on about there.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Who said anything about Sov having a hard life??? Only you it seems. I was just giving you a bit of background on why it all went tits-up for her in the US. So your little rant about others having a hard life is pointless.

Neither did i infer that her sob story made her talented. So not sure what you're on about there.

oh I didn't say she did, I was giving reasons that some people suffer from depression and resort to suicide attempts - and it's a red herring - talent is what matters . Read what is written - I said I'm not falling for any sob stories. I'm not ranting - I'm pointing out the very obvious to you. Sov didn't make it big in the States (or here for that matter) due to a serious lack of talent and nothing to do with her being depressed - which you appear to give consideration to in your comments a few posts down.

And as you said yourself in your last post - this thread is about Cher.

Might be an idea for everyone to stick to that.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

oh I didn't say she did, I was giving reasons that some people suffer from depression and resort to suicide attempts - and it's a red herring - talent is what matters . Read what is written - I said I'm not falling for any sob stories. I'm not ranting - I'm pointing out the very obvious to you. Sov didn't make it big in the States (or here for that matter) due to a serious lack of talent and nothing to do with her being depressed - which you appear to give consideration to in your comments a few posts down.

And as you said yourself in your last post - this thread is about Cher.

Might be an idea for everyone to stick to that.

You don't think depression can affect someones career???

Ah ok then. As you were...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MrWong

You don't think depression can affect someones career???

Ah ok then. As you were...

I don't believe it can be used as an excuse for having no talent, without related talent, one can't have a career in the music industry.... that's what I think.

Does Cher have depression?

Is it affecting her 'career'?

if not, you seem quite determined to continue off topic despite your acknowledgment on a few posts ago that this thread is about Cher .....

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I don't believe it can be used as an excuse for having no talent, without related talent, one can't have a career in the music industry.... that's what I think.

Does Cher have depression?

Is it affecting her 'career'?

if not, you seem quite determined to continue off topic despite your acknowledgment on a few posts ago that this thread is about Cher .....

You seem determined to link the depression to having a lack of talent.

The depression ballsed up her career in the US. IF she was in a better state mentally who knows how well she could have done.

You think she has no talent, Jay Z thought she did. I’d say he’s more clued up than the average bod sat in front of their laptop posting on a forum.

God knows why you’re asking if Cher has depression. Still, at least it’s kinda on topic.