[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well definitely a cold blooded killer. So as long as they're half assured they're in the clear (partly by what the police are letting out, which is nothing) They'll just get on with their routine and slip back into society.

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Its a callous killer IMHO who has thought out the consequences of what he has done - and by all accounts may have got away with it!

The thing is: the longer it takes, any leads the police may have could go cold. The killer could be hundreds of miles away by now with very little chance of being caught.

Apart from the awful situation for the family - and of course, for those living in the area, but the mystery surrounding it is intriguing all the same - and yes, I realise some might view that as warped to say the least.

[mrscolumbo]

IMHO its slowly, slowy catch a monkey with the facebook - we know reardon is/was quite prolific on the social network sites - maybe he wasn't so devoted to Joanna as everyone thinks - facebook along with other sites may well reveal another side to this devoted partner of Joanna!

[icemaiden]

The answer lies in where Joanna was for the eight days she was missing.

Local people, who used the laneway where she was found, said there was no way they could has missed seeing her body.

So somebody was hiding her either dead or alive for those eight days.

How do people who kill someone live with themselves - probably just carrying on as normal.

[mrscolumbo]

Originally Posted by icemaiden

The answer lies in where Joanna was for the eight days she was missing.

Local people, who used the laneway where she was found, said there was no way they could has missed seeing her body.

So somebody was hiding her either dead or alive for those eight days.

How do people who kill someone live with themselves - probably just carrying on as normal.

Joanna probably met her death on the 17th Dec.and body disposed of between the evening of the 17-19 - Joanna was probably dumped whilst snow was falling - the culprit was aware that snowfalll in that area was going to happen about 11pmish perfect conditions for dumping a body especially if the forcast was for between 4-6 inches of snowfall - only person who would consider adverse weather conditions ideal for concealing a crime would be someone who has for days had an eye on the road conditions before setting off on a longish journey!

[mrscolumbo]

Joanna's cat IMHO is the only witness to what took place that fateful evening of the 17th - I believe Joanna was probably killed in the apartment by someone who knew her well enough to gain access to her inner space allowing strangulation to take place - this must be someone very intimate with Joanna - also who is taking care of the Joanna's cat - bet it's not bf or his family!

[arista]

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[Shasown]

Who is to say she was murdered in or even near her flat.

Supposing she brought the cider and pizza in order to go to someones else house or flat for a bit of a session.

She goes home gets showered and changed, while doing so empties her purse or pockets and in amongst that stuff is the receipt for the pizza, after getting changed she then takes the cider and the pizza round to the party location.

She may not even have taken the pizza to her flat having already dropped it off at the other location.

Incidentally, the barcode on the pizza box will simply tell plod that the pizza was priced at and made by.... Its the batch/lot numbering with the best before date etc on the box that will indicate the box came from the same lots that she may have bought one of.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Who is to say she was murdered in or even near her flat.

Supposing she brought the cider and pizza in order to go to someones else house or flat for a bit of a session.

She goes home gets showered and changed, while doing so empties her purse or pockets and in amongst that stuff is the receipt for the pizza, after getting changed she then takes the cider and the pizza round to the party location.

She may not even have taken the pizza to her flat having already dropped it off at the other location.

Incidentally, the barcode on the pizza box will simply tell plod that the pizza was priced at and made by.... Its the batch/lot numbering with the best before date etc on the box that will indicate the box came from the same lots that she may have bought one of.

The cider bottles (I believe) were found in the flat. One having been half drank, one being unopened.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by arista

tomorrows mirror

The police have said the picture quality is so poor that they cant be sure its her.

What the newspapers will do to sell papers eh!

And even if it is her I guess theres no chance of those two (probably innocent) people coming forward in case they get the same treatment as the landlord.

[Angus]

The fact that the police don't have a single solid lead makes me believe that the killer(s) has done this before, such is his expertise in not only removing incriminating evidence, and my suspicion is that he may even have deliberately left misleading clues.

On the other hand, the news reports say "another person's DNA was on Joanna's body" so presumably they have eliminated her immediate family and friends etc, and if the DNA is not in their data banks they are either dealing with an opportunist random killer, or an extremely clever serial one.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by angus58

On the other hand, the news reports say "another person's DNA was on Joanna's body" so presumably they have eliminated her immediate family and friends etc, and if the DNA is not in their data banks they are either dealing with an opportunist random killer, or an extremely clever serial one.

But she had just been to a works Christmas drink at the pub.

If I had been to a works Xmas drink I would probably have loads of peoples DNA on my body from xmas kisses, hugs etc.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys

But she had just been to a works Christmas drink at the pub.

If I had been to a works Xmas drink I would probably have loads of peoples DNA on my body from xmas kisses, hugs etc.

Then surely the police would, by now, have ELIMINATED those people from their enquiries since they are talking about a single person's DNA on her body which remains unexplained.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

tomorrows mirror

Suprised that even made front page

[lostalex]

There seems to be basically no real evidence yet. I havn't heard any compelling evdence yet, just a bunch of tabloids talking about a "creepy old guy" landlord.... but arn't all old landlords a bit creepy?


I'm still not convinced anyone is on the right trail yet. Very mysterious.

Finding out about the death of your daughter on Xmas day though, that is truly horrible. Can't help but only think about the family at this time.

It's starting to have the feel of a maddy mccann story though, another one of these lot of tabloid speculation and press interest, but no real leads. I hope not for the families sake, but it does seem to be going that way.

[mrscolumbo]

Well its appearing more likely that Joanna met her end in the apartment and the sock slipped of her foot as the killer disposed of the body - doubt Joanna would have allowed stranger(s) into her apartment - and if so surely there would have been some kind of struggle I also consider this to be the case if it were friend(s) or acquaintance - I think the police ought to focus more on the in-laws then the out-laws.

[Fronn]

I think she was probably killed in the flat. Either someone was waiting for her having let themselves in with a key or she let them in. If she had a door chain surely she'd have put that on? I'd be looking at keycutters to see if another key had been made (possibly by Jo). Either way she must have been moved to the lane in a vehicle - it seems impossible that fibres from the car's interior weren't found on her clothing? I had faith in the police to begin with, now I'm not so sure.

[mrscolumbo]

Apparently A & S police have banned ITN news from their conference because of the critical reporting of their investigations sofar - baby throwing it's rattle out of the pram springs to mind lol.

[icemaiden]

I don't go with the theory that someone let themselves into the flat. Because then the only suspect would be the LL and I am not sure I believe it's him anymore.

[Z]

I've not really followed this story, but from what I gather people are mystified as to how someone killed her and moved her body elsewhere/kidnapped her and moved her elsewhere, then killed her and dumped her, all without anybody seeing... I live in a residential area but don't know any of my neighbours both at home and in my flat in another city - a combination of luck and the cover of darkness in winter would be more than sufficient to leave the building. And, as people have speculated, she probably knew her murderer so perhaps she willingly left the building with them. Plus she was drunk I think? I think I read that somewhere. So her awareness and ability to function was impaired... I think the killer must be quite intelligent, but also had a bit of luck on his/her side.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Why has it taken the keystone cops a week and a half to volunteer the information of the missing sock to the press????

Instead of giving us bits of information in dribs and drabs why dont they tell us the full facts and maybe we can solve their case for them.

What are they hiding and what are they frightened of???????

[CarriKP]

Originally Posted by icemaiden

I don't go with the theory that someone let themselves into the flat. Because then the only suspect would be the LL and I am not sure I believe it's him anymore.

Or - shock horror - the apparently innocent boyfriend - ??



BTW I never did think Christopher Jefferies was the guilty party.

[mrscolumbo]

Yes the bf he's vowed never to return to Bristol odd thing to say in that statement on Saturday can't see why he would have the need to reveal as there was a 'suspect' in the dock - maybe he is/was so confident that a charge was imminent it took the focus of him as having any involvement.

Hope the profiler is focusing in on what this man has said sofar as it appears he has made statements right out of context to the circumstances - not the words IMHO of a grieving, numbed loving partner living within the emotional turmoil of the situation.

[arista]

[Angus]

Just now on the news a police spokesman holding up the remaining sock and with a straight face requesting info from the public re the missing sock. This case is descending into the realms of farce.

[Herb1e]

Originally Posted by arista

A picture of the Express. Why? Surely as irrelevant as the Mirror, the Sun or the Daily Mail...