[Angus]

Of course Mario wants to get involved - he'd go to the opening of a door - so desperate is he for any attention at all.

[Jordan.]

I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.

He made Laura look entertaining.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.

He made Laura look entertaining.

So true ... and so funny ... the man is really just so dreadful and so revolting ... oh I just want to expunge him from my memory now ... he won't be popping up anywhere else so we can all breathe a sigh of relief ... ooofffff ... doesn't that feel good ... ? Bye!

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.

He made Laura look entertaining.

I don't even think about Mario in relation to interesting BB housemates. I consider him a non-entity BB housemate for the most part and even after BB. That is why I rarely mention him in posts on this forum in particular, unless replying to a specific post mentioning him. I just don't think he is much worthy of wasting typing fingers on anymore. And I know I have made this post about him, but it's literally just a one off Because, as I said earlier in this post, I have done and probably will only mention him in reply to other posts that mention him if I feel the need be.

[Vodka Drinka]

Do you remember when Dave said he wanted to use the winnings(had he won obviously) to open an orphanage in India? I actually laughed out loud when he said that, what a load of utter bollocks!

[InOne]

Dave was a total fake lol And pretty nasty at times

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by InOne

Dave was a total fake lol And pretty nasty at times

Nice and succint

[MTVN]

You lot love to get melodramatic over housemates dont you?

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You lot love to get melodramatic over housemates dont you?

Well ... the thing is that Dave is actually in a position to do a lot of harm ... and he has been given the power to affect people by his inclusion in Big Brother ... so I am not sure if 'melodramatic' is the most accurate word to be honest ... I think it is right and proper to draw attention to the situation ... and also to the fact that some of the HMs are definitely NOT supporting his chicanery while some of the others are trying to drum up even more business for him ...

Shining a spotlight on this (and noticing which way the different HMs are reacting to Dave's ludicrous but ultimately potentially VERY toxic nonsense) is interesting ... and quite necessary and even important ... but 'melodramatic' ... I wouldn't have thought that was the most suitable description of many peoples' responses to this charlatan's cynical and fraudulent manipulation ...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

Well ... the thing is that Dave is actually in a position to do a lot of harm ... and he has been given the power to affect people by his inclusion in Big Brother ... so I am not sure if 'melodramatic' is the most accurate word to be honest ... I think it is right and proper to draw attention to the situation ... and also to the fact that some of the HMs are definitely NOT supporting his chicanery while some of the others are trying to drum up even more business for him ...

Shining a spotlight on this (and noticing which way the different HMs are reacting to Dave's ludicrous but ultimately potentially VERY toxic nonsense) is interesting ... and quite necessary and even important ... but 'melodramatic' ... I wouldn't have thought that was the most suitable description of many peoples' responses to this charlatan's cynical and fraudulent manipulation ...

Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be

He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.

Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be

He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.

Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.

I wonder if you really have seen any of the videos which were up during the summer - maybe a lot of them have disappeared by now - but the one in India where he was clearly ripping off the poorest and most vulnerable ill or troubled Indians which he could lure into his (or John Crowder's) clutches was one of the most despicable and unforgivable scenes I have ever witnessed - and the one where he spoke with barely believable disrespect about some Palestinians he had encountered (in Palestine, too - not on anyone else's turf) was truly wicked and lacking in any real understanding or intelligence or (maybe most importantly of all) compassion - and could have lead to great anger and even violence (quite understandable and 'righteous' anger ...)

So no ... Dave is not a bumbling innocent and basically good guy - he is a knave and a rogue and a fool and should NEVER have been given any air time at all (and the fact that he was allowed onto our screens will probably long remain a mystery which we should all be trying to solve - but it does seem to reek of some sort of corruption not just to me, but to many other Forum Members as well - it has all been discussed in various places for some considerable time ... and rightly so ... imho ... )

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

I wonder if you really have seen any of the videos which were up during the summer - maybe a lot of them have disappeared by now - but the one in India where he was clearly ripping off the poorest and most vulnerable ill or troubled Indians which he could lure into his (or John Crowder's) clutches was one of the most despicable and unforgivable scenes I have ever witnessed - and the one where he spoke with barely believable disrespect about some Palestinians he had encountered (in Palestine, too - not on anyone else's turf) was truly wicked and lacking in any real understanding or intelligence or (maybe most importantly of all) compassion - and could have lead to great anger and even violence (quite understandable and 'righteous' anger ...)

So no ... Dave is not a bumbling innocent and basically good guy - he is a knave and a rogue and a fool and should NEVER have been given any air time at all (and the fact that he was allowed onto our screens will probably long remain a mystery which we should all be trying to solve - but it does seem to reek of some sort of corruption not just to me, but to many other Forum Members as well - it has all been discussed in various places for some considerable time ... and rightly so ... imho ... )

Never said he was a "bumbling innocent" or "basically a good guy" though did I?

Yes, I saw the video in India, and it doesnt change my stance at all. He was claiming he could dure through God, he's not the first to say God can heal people now is he? And no, I didnt see the other one but I dont much care for it.

But anyway, you've missed my point; I couldnt give a damn what he gets up to outside of the house. I will judge him based on how far he has entertained me in the weeks that he was in the house, not on a couple of youtube videos. There is no corruption here, there's no conspiracy. Dave was a wacky guy, one people might consider a "freak" as one member has said, well that's what BB is now, it's basically a freak show, that's why he was chosen. In the summer everyone was saying the papers had been silenced and then it turned out the NOTW had carried an article about Dave in India which left all the conspiracy theorists there looking a bit stupid.

Big Brother is simple and light-hearted entertainment, I am not going to tirelessly assess the morality of each contestant or what they do outside of the house; it's irrelevant, they can do as they please for all I care.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be

He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.

Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.

You have clearly not seen what he has been getting up to in foreign countries with very simple and disadvantaged people ... there is no forgiving it ... have another look (if they are still there that is ... as I said I do not know if they are ... they sickened me and I have not wanted to see them a second time so simply do not know)

No judging of others ... so all behaviour however cruel or harmful or immoral or vicious (in the literal sense of that word) is acceptable and should be condoned and not criticised or curtailed ... would that include rape? Torture? Murder? You clearly would include theft - and theft from the very poorest at that - as acceptable and not worry about it as long as it seemed amusing to the outside world (all part of being a 'good housemate') ... I have to differ with you on this ... and differ very strongly ... some things ARE wrong and they must be exposed and condemned (and if at all possible stopped from recurring) - most especially if a former HM is using his following from the house and some other former HMs to help him with criminal activities

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

You have clearly not seen what he has been getting up to in foreign countries with very simple and disadvantaged people ... there is no forgiving it ... have another look (if they are still there that is ... as I said I do not know if they are ... they sickened me and I have not wanted to see them a second time so simply do not know)

No judging of others ... so all behaviour however cruel or harmful or immoral or vicious (in the literal sense of that word) is acceptable and should be condoned and not criticised or curtailed ... would that include rape? Torture? Murder? You clearly would include theft - and theft from the very poorest at that - as acceptable and not worry about it as long as it seemed amusing to the outside world (all part of being a 'good housemate') ... I have to differ with you on this ... and differ very strongly ... some things ARE wrong and they must be exposed and condemned (and if at all possible stopped from recurring) - most especially if a former HM is using his following from the house and some other former HMs to help him with criminal activities

Yes I have already said, I have seen the videos. As far as I can recall the one in India just showed him supposedly healing some Indians of diseases. As I've said he's not the first to claim that God can heal the sick. What is the theft you speak of?

I'm a relativist for the most part, I dont really believe there are absolute and universal morals, it is relative to the people who hold them. The purpose of Dave being on the show was to entertain, in my view he did that, what he gets up to out of the house is not my business and as I said I'm not going to play moral Big Brother with myself. Dave gets no credibility from the wider public, the vast majority just think his views are ridiculous, but if some think they are getting drunk "on the glory" then that's up to them, it's not up to me to tell them. Don't compare this to murder because it isn't, Dave is not doing anything illegal and unless you can prove that he is then I stand by what I said.

[Malza]

Glad to hear that Mario won't go to the charlatans "drunk on the Lord" happening!

He tweeted a sec. ago:

Hey guys just to let you know so there is no confusion, I wont be appearing at Gloryfest this weekend.

[Ultra Violet]

[/CENTER]

Originally Posted by Malza

Glad to hear that Mario won't go to the charlatans "drunk on the Lord" happening!

He tweeted a sec. ago:

Well ... that is a blessed relief ...

[patsylimerick]

Niamh, no, Rebel born and bred. Limerick just has a special place in my heart
MTVN, OK he's not breaking any laws that we're aware of but he parades down high streets in a monk's garb and in a wheelchair seeking donations. If he got any money from an eldelry relative of mine I wouldn't be checking the local constabulary's book of offences - would you? He's a shyster. As regards how entertaining he was in the house - really? Repeating inanities and lying down pretending to be 'drunk' and misquoting the bible? Seriously? That's entertaining? I can't, genuinely, remember him being funny once. I can remember him pinching, nipple-tweaking and arse-slapping all of the younger men in the house and turning purple with indignation when Caoimhe's shirt got wet. I remember him giving out about his friends not being on his from home video, until Steve's was played and Steve cried when he saw the message from his kids. All of a sudden Dave's upset because his kids weren't in the message. I remember him lying on the grass looking up his wife's skirt........ I could go on but I'm feeling slightly queasy............

[James]

From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.

I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there isn't real evidence for it.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by James

From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.

I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there 'isn't real evidence for it.'

Oh James ... James ... you just haven't been seeing or reading the stuff that is out there to be seen and read have you?

Why do you think so many John James fans are shaking their heads in despair and puzzlement and disappointment

All for 'nothing much to worry about' ... ?

Surely you can't honestly believe that there isn't real evidence for it?

You must be brighter than you are giving yourself credit for in our eyes ...

Mustn't you ... ? Surely you must ... ?

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by James

From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.

I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there isn't real evidence for it.

Oh dear. He has confirmed that he dressed as a monk and pretended to need to use a wheelchair and rolled up and down a High Street looking for money. He then laughed about what he'd done and advised others on how to buy wheelchairs on e-Bay. How, by any standard of logic, can that make your last sentence legitimate?

[James]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Oh dear. He has confirmed that he dressed as a monk and pretended to need to use a wheelchair and rolled up and down a High Street looking for money. He then laughed about what he'd done and advised others on how to buy wheelchairs on e-Bay. How, by any standard of logic, can that make your last sentence legitimate?

Well, from what I watched he wasn't asking people for money in that.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by James

Well, from what I watched he wasn't asking people for money in that.

[MTVN]

Youtube video

What part of James' post confused you? I cant see where he is asking for money, he's even got a sign saying "free blessings".

Don't see any conning there, just a lot of glory

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Youtube video

What part of James' post confused you? I cant see where he is asking for money, he's even got a sign saying "free blessings".

Don't see any conning there, just a lot of glory

This is not the right video clip ... ?

Not the incriminating one which has revolted everyone so much ...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

This is not the right video clip ... ?

Not the incriminating one which has revolted everyone so much ...

This was the video that patsylimerick was talking about, the one where he supposedly "rolled up and down a High Street looking for money" before laughing about buying more chairs on eBay. You can see that he is not charging people money here, he is actually giving "free blessings". So what confused you when James said he didnt see Dave ask anybody for money in that video of him in the wheelchair?