[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I think drinking in a public place is one of those grey areas. I know I've seen areas in the city centre which say 'drinking in this space is prohibited' which would lead you to believe anywhere else is fine. That said, I think it's at police descretion. Basically sitting and sharing a bottle of wine with a loved one in the park would be fine. Rioting through a graveyard....... well you'd like to think not...

found this... http://drinkdrivingpenalties.co.uk/d...ohol-in-public

Illegal to be drunk and disorderly but local councils may impose by-laws to cover areas such as parks, public transport, city centres etc.

I'd certainly consider what these travellers to be doing in a cemetery could be considered being a nuisance though, and something that shouldn't be tolerated.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

At what point does this bit get shown?

It's the very last segment when the clip starts at around 42 minutes into it.

[MTVN]

Ok just had a look, and I'm personally not opposed to it

If you ask me there is no set way of honouring your dea; there is no law or rule that dictates how you are supposed to show respect. If this is they Gypsy custom to have a drink in memory of the departed then I'm not going to judge them for it and tell them what they are doing is wrong because in their eyes it certainly isnt

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ok just had a look, and I'm personally not opposed to it

If you ask me there is no set way of honouring your dea; there is no law or rule that dictates how you are supposed to show respect. If this is they Gypsy custom to have a drink in memory of the departed then I'm not going to judge them for it and tell them what they are doing is wrong because in their eyes it certainly isnt

So you'd be fine with them sitting on one of your family members gravestone?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ok just had a look, and I'm personally not opposed to it

If you ask me there is no set way of honouring your dea; there is no law or rule that dictates how you are supposed to show respect. If this is they Gypsy custom to have a drink in memory of the departed then I'm not going to judge them for it and tell them what they are doing is wrong because in their eyes it certainly isnt

Having a drink in memory of their departed isn't the issue. What the issue is, is the fact that it's been done at the graveside, music blaring, carry outs lying around, other graves being trampled over, other's headstones being sat on and used as seats. That's the disrespectful part, not that they wish to honour their dead - it's the manner in which they are doing it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

So you'd be fine with them sitting on one of your family members gravestone?

Well I didnt see anyone sitting on a gravestone tbh, plus we dont know who the surrounding graves were, they could have been fellow Gypsies who had been buried in the same area.

But if some of them were sitting on someone they didnt knows gravestone, then no I wouldnt condone that

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

So you'd be fine with them sitting on one of your family members gravestone?

That also begs the question: taking the 2 travellers sitting on the headstones at the end..... if you were the person visiting that particular grave to pay your own respects - how would you feel to arrive, be met with strangers sitting on your loved ones headstone, getting tanked up.

I don't know anyone, and I mean anyone, who would meet with that situation who wouldn't have something very severe to say about it and who would not be incensed. I'm quite sure if Paddy and his missus arrived at Patrick's graveside and found people sitting all over it, smoking and drinking and not giving a **** about disrespecting a stranger's grave - they'd have plenty to say about that.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Having a drink in memory of their departed isn't the issue. What the issue is, is the fact that it's been done at the graveside, music blaring, carry outs lying around, other graves being trampled over, other's headstones being sat on and used as seats. That's the disrespectful part, not that they wish to honour their dead - it's the manner in which they are doing it.

Well I suppose trying to make it into a less sombre occassion is all part of their way of honouring their dead.

But if there were some who trampled on others graves and sat on gravestones then as I said I wouldnt condone that. So just to clarfiy, it is not the custom itself that you didnt like, it was just the way it was carried out on this particular show?

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I didnt see anyone sitting on a gravestone tbh, plus we dont know who the surrounding graves were, they could have been fellow Gypsies who had been buried in the same area.

But if some of them were sitting on someone they didnt knows gravestone, then no I wouldnt condone that

LOL Ok if they just plonk their arses on a fellow Gypsy grave who they don't know then?

They were in a general cemetery

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I didnt see anyone sitting on a gravestone tbh, plus we dont know who the surrounding graves were, they could have been fellow Gypsies who had been buried in the same area.

But if some of them were sitting on someone they didnt knows gravestone, then no I wouldnt condone that

right at the end of the clip, sitting there supping out of their cans.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

LOL Ok if they just plonk their arses on a fellow Gypsy grave who they don't know then?

They were in a general cemetery

It isnt unheard of to have people from close-knit communities buried near each other you know

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That also begs the question: taking the 2 travellers sitting on the headstones at the end..... if you were the person visiting that particular grave to pay your own respects - how would you feel to arrive, be met with strangers sitting on your loved ones headstone, getting tanked up.

I don't know anyone, and I mean anyone, who would meet with that situation who wouldn't have something very severe to say about it and who would not be incensed. I'm quite sure if Paddy and his missus arrived at Patrick's graveside and found people sitting all over it, smoking and drinking and not giving a **** about disrespecting a stranger's grave - they'd have plenty to say about that.

Agree

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It isnt unheard of to have people from close-knit communities buried near each other you know

Of course it isn't. I'm not stupid. I've lost enough people to write a book. Hence my increased anger at the total lack of respect. If I were to visit my mother or fathers place of rest and found that sight I'd be incensed

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I suppose trying to make it into a less sombre occassion is all part of their way of honouring their dead.

But if there were some who trampled on others graves and sat on gravestones then as I said I wouldnt condone that. So just to clarfiy, it is not the custom itself that you didnt like, it was just the way it was carried out on this particular show?

To clarify -I have no issue with honouring the dead, I do have issue however in the manner in which they felt it appropriate to walk over other people's graves, music belting out, sitting on other people's departed loved ones headstones, slugging cans of lager/cider - that's what I didn't like. I don't give a rat's arse whether they be travellers, pygmies, goblin or any other section of society fact or fiction - the manner in which they are chosing to 'honour their dead', in a public cemetery, is completely disrespectful.

A graveyard is a place for quiet reflection, not for having loud celebrations and drinking parties. That's what function rooms, hotels, bars etc are for.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It isnt unheard of to have people from close-knit communities buried near each other you know

Absolutely. Burial ground has been like hens teeth in recent years (and has been the case for many years) so I'm not altogether convinced that this large group knew those buried around the grave they were there to pay respects to.

You're going on the premise that the amount of people that were there, who were walkign all over a fair area and fair amount of graves - all knew every single person who's graves they were walking on / and sitting on? Honestly, I doubt it, I really do.

I didn't see anyone sitting on Patrick's grave ... funny that eh! Perhaps they'd have thought that wasn't the right thing to do........ I wonder why that might have been.

[GypsyGoth]

Well anyway I'm not religious like you guys, maybe I would get more upset about it if I believed in your god.

[Kerry]

I'm not religious. Just respectful

[Kerry]

I'd just like anyone who thinks it's fine to behave that way to sit and think for 5 minutes. You lose someone you love. Dearly love. Family, best friend, pet.... they have a place of rest, wether they're buried or cremated. You arrive to pay your respects or indeed it's the actual day of the funeral to a graveyard full of people blaring out music, boozing, sitting on your loved ones memorial, trampling on whatever may be there and... well you've seen the rest. Goodness knows where they relieve themselves..... doesn't bear thinking about....

You'd be perfectly happy? If you daren't even approach the area? I'd be devastated and furious

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Well anyway I'm not religious like you guys, maybe I would get more upset about it if I believed in your god.

1. I'm not religious
2. I am Agnostic.

so you don't have to wory about getting upset about believing in my god since 'he/she/it' doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned.

It's nothing to do with believing in God, you don't have to believe in a God to bury a person.

I do however know the boundaries upon which something is considered respectful or not and sitting around on headstones, slugging booze, music thumping out, carry outs strewn all over other gravesides etc can never ever be considered respectful.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I'd just like anyone who thinks it's fine to behave that way to sit and think for 5 minutes. You lose someone you love. Dearly love. Family, best friend, pet.... they have a place of rest, wether they're buried or cremated. You arrive to pay your respects or indeed it's the actual day of the funeral to a graveyard full of people blaring out music, boozing, sitting on your loved ones memorial, trampling on whatever may be there and... well you've seen the rest. Goodness knows where they relieve themselves..... doesn't bear thinking about....

You'd be perfectly happy? If you daren't even approach the area? I'd be devastated and furious

I am fully in agreement with you Kerry. That anyone could remotely consider that what was shown in this clip, to be regarded as being acceptable, not seemed disrespectful and bang out of order - I'm completely staggered.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's nothing to do with believing in God, you don't have to believe in a God to bury a person.

Sorry I didn't know that, I thought graveyards were owned by churches.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Sorry I didn't know that, I thought graveyards were owned by churches.

Do you think people who aren't religious get thrown in a skip?

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Do you think people who aren't religious get thrown in a skip?

Well my dad was cremated. I just thought that's what non religious people did.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Well my dad was cremated. I just thought that's what non religious people did.

Not as far as I'm aware. I believe it's the persons choice what they want. Both my parents were cremated too and my Nan. My Nan was religious

[dirtyvileHARRYuk]

THE JOE DISAGREES WITH MOST OF YOU POSTING ON THIS THREAD. a few reasons - who is any of us to judge how we remember people ? 2. is it so wrong and so disrespteful to drink and by whos standards? and if there was a funeral going on i am sure they would have respected them and been polite.

i have seen nothing in this community that is not 10 times better then our community and i for one will not agree with anyone on this thread. sorry but thats the joe for you lol