[Angus]

Originally Posted by Stu

Jesus had no problem believing in the Biblical account of creation. Are you telling me the messiah couldn't read his own autobiography right?

I think you'll find the New Testament is NOT Jesus's autobiography! It was written by around 10 different contributors, none of whom was Jesus himself!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by angus58

I think you'll find the New Testament is NOT Jesus's autobiography! It was written by around 10 different contributors, none of whom was Jesus himself!

What do you know, the famous angus58 ignore list is made up after all.

When did I say the New Testament was his autobiography? The creation story happens in the Old Testament. Regardless of his questionable divinity it is common knowledge that Jesus was a practicing Jew who studied the torah. And some believe he was God. The same God who inspired and/or directly wrote more or less the Old Testament.

Either way given who he was and the time he existed it is highly, highly unlikely Jesus believed in anything but the biblical account of creation.

This doesn't matter to some of his followers of course who still want their evolution cake with Jesus sprinkles.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Stu

What do you know, the famous angus58 ignore list is made up after all.

When did I say the New Testament was his autobiography? The creation story happens in the Old Testament. Regardless of his questionable divinity it is common knowledge that Jesus was a practicing Jew who studied the torah. And some believe he was God. The same God who inspired and/or directly wrote more or less the Old Testament.

Either way given who he was and the time he existed it is highly, highly unlikely Jesus believed in anything but the biblical account of creation.

This doesn't matter to some of his followers of course who still want their evolution cake with Jesus sprinkles.

Why don't you actually read what YOU wrote previously? You stated that the New Testament was Jesus's AUTOBIOGRAPHY when in fact it is NOT. (have to admit though, that did give me a good laugh I had visions of him book signing in Waterstones). You then used that as a reason to assert that he must then have believed the stories in the Old Testament. I responded by pointing out that Jesus is written ABOUT in the New Testament, and has no authorship of anything in it - in other words they are just stories and anecdotes from a load of OTHER people, they could just be allegorical stories in fact. We have no definitive evidence what Jesus actually believed or thought, only OTHER PEOPLE'S opinions and views.

Therefore, my original argument still stands, that the bible is not to be trusted or relied on as a definitive and true account of ANYTHING since it is based on oral traditions handed down and written down by fallible human beings, no doubt with their own agenda and therefore susceptible to corruption, embellishment, misinterprations, factual inaccuracies etc. However, if people choose to believe those bits of the bible that it suits them to, that's fine by me. People can believe what the hell they like. Personally, I don't believe any of it.

In your haste and desire to try and get some childish digs in at me you have assumed that I am a Christian who believes in the bible whereas I am not. Sadly as with most of your foolish assumptions you are wide off the mark. I was simply debating from the devil's advocate point of view, or are you not familiar with that style of debate? What on earth are they teaching kids these days? A rhetorical question, as clearly not much.

Back on topic, my point was that just because you are a christian does not necessarily mean you can't believe in evolution (which to me is the option which offers the most scientific and provable evidence). Or did that point escape you altogether There, now I can safely put you back on ignore - I was right about you the first time