[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Stu

Oh that's better quality then mine. *is tempted to rob it but doesn't*

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Stu

It's got absoloutely nothing to do with them having faith in him. That's why like Cena the PPV ended with him on his back staring at the lights. He is simply a placeholder. The middle gear in the system to keep the belt on and play things around for the true storyline of Cena Vs. Rock.

It's worth mentioning that in the rating breakdowns virtually every single segment to date Miz has been in has lost viewers. His absoloutely bombing as champion.

Cena was getting beat by Miz long before Rock came back.. WWE know he is the future of the company, just look how long he has been Champion for now, November sometime it was when he cashed it.. ( Amazing considering how much the titles change hands nowadays ) no one at the minute is good enough to take the title from him, the man is amazing.

He was obviously going to be on his back staring at the lights.. at least he had the luxury of having the People's elbow applied to him. The Rock and Cena can just be a non title feud and Miz can now go on to feud with someone else for the title.

Youtube video

You are we wrong, all of you.

I made it.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Iceman

This isn't to further the Miz's career it's to set the stage up for Rock V Cena, any dolt can see that....well almost any.

Miz is the future of the Company, Cena and Rock are just going to be a 1 year feud leading up to Mania next year and you probably want see much of the wrong til the start of next year. Anyone who beats Cena at the main event at WM deserves to be taken seriously.

[Stu]

Did it ever occur to you that the reason Miz got emergency beatdowns in so many of the Raw's prior to WrestleMania is because WWE realized that they dropped the ball on him so bad that they actually had to go out and remind the fans that he was involved in WrestleMania?

He is totally unbelievable as champion and comes off as a novelty midcard attraction that has not honed his craft. He didn't beat Cena at WrestleMania. The Rock did. Future of the company? I would be shocked if he got a second title run.

[Stu]

Anyway here's a copy and paste job of my show review/uberrant from the UKFF forums :

I'm still not sure what to think of the show, and I'm halfway through watching it for a second time now. One thing I find that is starting to happen every year with me is that I get so pumped for the big event that by the time the main event comes on at half three in the morning I'm so sick and tired of the overbearing pageantry of it all that I'm really looking foward to the next nights Raw and even the upcoming B-Show so that a sense of normality can ensue. Another sad thing is that the company went all out to be EntertainmentMania this year. As some people are more than willing to point out I know that it's been sports entertainment for years now but they really, really hammered it home this year with all the little things. The use of certain phrases was more noticeable than ever - even this time last year. Cole's show opening introduction went something along the lines of 'this is the epitome of Americana, the epitome of pop culture and entertainment'.

The desperate thing about all of this is not that it's so shameful and heretical etc that they are shunning our glorious wrestling it's just the fact that it's totally, ridiculously unbelievable. It's a wrestling entertainment event that people bought for their hard earned dollar because they like that particular medium of entertainment. WWE are now past treating it as a medium. It's just entertainment. They have not actually got an adjective to describe what the contents of a match are. No real word to describe what happens from bell to bell. It's just so hysterically unreal because for all the grandstanding about it being an entertainment phenomenon let's face it ... it's just a very well advertised wrestling event with a smattering of celebrity. It's going to get a small box on the bottom corner of disposable celebrity websites - and that's if they are lucky. It's not an entertainment phenomenon. It's a really well known wrestling PPV that gets massive attention in wrestling circles, a healthy amount of attention in the host city, and a smattering of attention everywhere else.

The show itself was just all over the house pace wise. I can only assume the script went through endless screenings and redrafts by a small army of people who all had conflicting ideas. It's become a major problem with WrestleMania over the past few years that was exposed at it's worst here and it really needs to be addressed next year. The show was four hours long and managed to look both too full and too empty. Every year they try and do so much with video packages, silly celebrity bits and airport runways masquerading as aisleways that some of the matches appear tragically short or even cut altogether. The old three hour shows compared to last night managed to seem far longer, more enjoyable and flowed better. I'm not complaining about the length, celebrities or entranceway just the clearly horrible execution of it all that leaves the show looking as if it was organized by a child with ADHD.

The opening video was gash, but that was expected. Black and white images, Freddie Blassie, and orchestral music is wrestling. Throwaway cock rock and CGI is entertainment, brother. The Rock's segment went on far, far too long and he really didn't work around the crowd and the massive dead air that exists in these stadiums. Waiting for a fruity pebble chant to take off was painful to watch and like the rest of his segments that night he didn't really do much, didn't really host much, and just sounded like he was Dwayne Johnson playing The Rock in a movie about the WWE. I expected him to bump into a myriad of stars and take the piss out of each and every one of them. I did expect Mean Gene and Moolah to crop up somewhere in that but by christ did I expect more.

I can see where they were coming from positioning a main event match as the curtain jerker but sorry, no. It doesn't work. I enjoyed the match a lot for what it was though. Don't see the big deal in Edge banging up Del Rio's car as a face. Certain faces can get away with that and it's not as if he is white meat anyway. The problem was it dragged out for far too long and the car didn't sell a bit of it. I really wanted a Christian heel turn here because I honestly don't see much value in him being the short haired, less charismatic counterpart to Edge.

Cody and Rey was just fine. The mask spot was interesting even if Rey's intent on continuing with his tradition of having headgear trouble at WrestleMania. I was looking at the UKFF chatbox for the duration of The Corre's match but I despair for Wade Barrett. I really hope he is not ruined. Given the WWE's booking these days he could easily **** off for six months, come back, win the title for six minutes, and end up wrestling the exact same match at next year's WrestleMania.

Punk/Orton was a bit boring. Generic grudge match and Punk didn't do any wonders in making a Randy Orton match seem in any way dynamic or interesting. Michael 'Rick Steiner' Cole Vs. King was great apart from a dud bit in the middle that reeked of Hart/Vince from a year prior. Still I love that he won and I love that he was dressed like he escaped from Wrestlers Prison. HIS NOT READY YET!

Triple H and 'Taker ... that took awhile to get going, didn't it? It started so fast that it managed to burn me out in just the complete opposite way anything is meant to burn anyone out. I can see what they were going for though to be fair to the lads. Triple H isin't Michaels and this match was never going to top the previous two years efforts. Just get outside the ring and **** things up straight away. The last ten minutes were fantastic though. The Triple H piledriver was absoloutely awesome and the count got me big time. 'Taker almost killed himself to get the match working and Triple H was no slouch either. He sold the entire story of it brilliantly.

Snooki needs to be a diva. Like ... now.

The main event was absoloute pants. The DQ finish was both unnecessary and highly awkward.

[Iceman]

Miz is the new Jack Swagger!

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Stu

Did it ever occur to you that the reason Miz got emergency beatdowns in so many of the Raw's prior to WrestleMania is because WWE realized that they dropped the ball on him so bad that they actually had to go out and remind the fans that he was involved in WrestleMania?

He is totally unbelievable as champion and comes off as a novelty midcard attraction that has not honed his craft. He didn't beat Cena at WrestleMania. The Rock did. Future of the company? I would be shocked if he got a second title run.

I just think your being harsh on him, He deserves to be where he is right now.. he cuts amazing Promo's, Incredible on the Mic, Very decent wrestler not the most athletic but sells well and hardly makes any mistakes in the ring A-RI as well, What a guy. Superb. I believe Miz is the future of WWE.. No one else can really step up to the Mark at the minute, Morrison is a better wrestler but has no character at all same goes for Drew as well although i rate him a lot, Swagger became a bit stale after his first title win, Dolph doesn't really fit the mould at the minute.. What face could possibly take the title from Miz at the minute and be a good Champion? ( and please don't say Orton he is boring as **** )

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Miz is the new Jack Swagger!

Don't be stupid, Swagger had a little run after Mania a few years back now but it was nothing like the Miz's run.. totally different.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Novo

I just think your being harsh on him, He deserves to be where he is right now.. he cuts amazing Promo's, Incredible on the Mic, Very decent wrestler not the most athletic but sells well and hardly makes any mistakes in the ring A-RI as well, What a guy. Superb. I believe Miz is the future of WWE.. No one else can really step up to the Mark at the minute, Morrison is a better wrestler but has no character at all same goes for Drew as well although i rate him a lot, Swagger became a bit stale after his first title win, Dolph doesn't really fit the mould at the minute.. What face could possibly take the title from Miz at the minute and be a good Champion? ( and please don't say Orton he is boring as **** )

I'm not being harsh on him. The fact is he has bombed as champion. The numbers don't lie. Asking who else could take the title from him doesn't make him great. It's just an indictment more than anything of how god awful the product has become that Miz has one a headlining match at WrestleMania.

He wouldn't have made Sunday Night Heat ten years ago and that is a fact.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Stu

I'm not being harsh on him. The fact is he has bombed as champion. The numbers don't lie. Asking who else could take the title from him doesn't make him great. It's just an indictment more than anything of how god awful the product has become that Miz has one a headlining match at WrestleMania.

He wouldn't have made Sunday Night Heat ten years ago and that is a fact.

If he has bombed so badly they would have somehow had Cena win the title at the grandest stage of them all, what's the Logic of having him win the Main event at Mania in that case? This reign could go on for months yet, The Main event was Poor BTW, not denying that but the result was right.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Novo

If he has bombed so badly they would have somehow had Cena win the title at the grandest stage of them all, what's the Logic of having him win the Main event at Mania in that case? This reign could go on for months yet, The Main event was Poor BTW, not denying that but the result was right.

Again it's to set up a Cena/Rock storyline. That's plain as day for anyone to see. They want to work the storyline this way and for whatever reason they don't want the belt on Cena right now. It doesn't mean Miz is the posterboy of the company. It means his a guy holding a silly gold belt that doesn't mean anything right now.

Cena is still the face of the company. Unfortunately.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Novo

If he has bombed so badly they would have somehow had Cena win the title at the grandest stage of them all, what's the Logic of having him win the Main event at Mania in that case? This reign could go on for months yet, The Main event was Poor BTW, not denying that but the result was right.

John Cena had a year long reign, it means nothing in thsi day and age

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Stu

Again it's to set up a Cena/Rock storyline. That's plain as day for anyone to see. They want to work the storyline this way and for whatever reason they don't want the belt on Cena right now. It doesn't mean Miz is the posterboy of the company. It means his a guy holding a silly gold belt that doesn't mean anything right now.

Cena is still the face of the company. Unfortunately.

I don't even think there is a face of the Company right now, He got such a bad reaction almost little reaction at all at WM, this is Cena's jobbing year.. it will be a while before he wins the title again. The Rock and Cena will get boring very very quickly also can you really stomach it for a WHOLE year. Christ.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Iceman

John Cena had a year long reign, it means nothing in thsi day and age

And that was amazing, title reigns should be long, changing hands every other month is horrible

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Novo

I don't even think there is a face of the Company right now, He got such a bad reaction almost little reaction at all at WM, this is Cena's jobbing year.. it will be a while before he wins the title again. The Rock and Cena will get boring very very quickly also can you really stomach it for a WHOLE year. Christ.

It's gonna happen at Summerslam, remember they have the plans for Cena v Taker at Mania next year....

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Iceman

It's gonna happen at Summerslam, remember they have the plans for Cena v Taker at Mania next year....

Have a feeling it will be Jericho v Taker next year, Wishful thinking really.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Novo

And that was amazing, title reigns should be long, changing hands every other month is horrible

thats true i love when they keep it for ages it feels way better then when someone new wins it ..i remember when JBL was champ for a year that was great

Originally Posted by Iceman

It's gonna happen at Summerslam, remember they have the plans for Cena v Taker at Mania next year....

i remember a few weeks ago i saw an interview with cena asking him about taker if he'd ever wrestle him at mania and he was like noooo way that streak is impossible to break

[Stu]

Definately going to be watching Raw tonight seeing as I missed college and fell out of bed at about half two today. Looking foward to things getting back to normal and seeing where they go with the storylines after that noisy mess less night.

In a strange way I'm now looking foward to Raw more than I was WrestleMania last night.

[Iceman]

title back to normal.

[Novo]

WWE - All Things Wrestling ( Miz Retains! )

[Iceman]

Not a chance

[Iceman]

"TEAM BRING IT - I have a very special announcement tonight on RAW...The People's Champ to The People..."

Follow more Rock tweets on Twitter @TheRock.

[Iceman]

Looks like I have to watch RAW now..... and Austin is scheduled to appear

[Ramsay]

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Iceman

"TEAM BRING IT - I have a very special announcement tonight on RAW...The People's Champ to The People..."

Follow more Rock tweets on Twitter @TheRock.

It would be great if he stuck around.