[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I think people exaggerate prisons - there seems to be the image of them as little Travelodges with Playstations and swimming pools or something. I went to see my oldest brother a couple of times as a child and whilst he didn't tell me then, he told my mother, that he pretty much cried himself to sleep every night. It's put the fear of God into me, so I don't know what's with the "omg dem paedophiles got 3 meals todaiii" attitude.

What crime did your brother do? the milder the worser you get with the uk governments.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I think people exaggerate prisons - there seems to be the image of them as little Travelodges with Playstations and swimming pools or something. I went to see my oldest brother a couple of times as a child and whilst he didn't tell me then, he told my mother, that he pretty much cried himself to sleep every night. It's put the fear of God into me, so I don't know what's with the "omg dem paedophiles got 3 meals todaiii" attitude.

Meh I dont know. My dad actually works in durham prison (which is apparently meant to be a 'bad' one) and he reckons the prisoners get a very easy ride.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I think people exaggerate prisons - there seems to be the image of them as little Travelodges with Playstations and swimming pools or something. I went to see my oldest brother a couple of times as a child and whilst he didn't tell me then, he told my mother, that he pretty much cried himself to sleep every night. It's put the fear of God into me, so I don't know what's with the "omg dem paedophiles got 3 meals todaiii" attitude.

I agree, I dont think any amount of luxuries can make up for losing your freedom and being cooped up in that environment

[Vicky.]

I actually know someone who prefers being locked up to being out. When he gets released he does stupid things like burgling houses he knows are empty just to get locked back up again. So I cant really get the argument how 'bad' it is inside :/

Obviously the experience will differ from person to person though I guess

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I actually know someone who prefers being locked up to being out. When he gets released he does stupid things like burgling houses he knows are empty just to get locked back up again. So I cant really get the argument how 'bad' it is inside :/

Obviously the experience will differ from person to person though I guess

I think it's a pretty easy argument, myself.

The vast majority of people are not like the person you know and do not enjoy being in prison.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Stu

I think it's a pretty easy argument, myself.

The vast majority of people are not like the person you know and do not enjoy being in prison.

Maybe. I only actually know that one person who has ever actually been in prison

My point was more though, that even though it will be a very small minority with his mindset...if it was really that bad inside, that minority wouldnt WANT to be there either would they.

[_Seth]

Never want it back. Not even in extreme cases.

[joeysteele]

I cannot as I said before on this thread,see any Govt. in my lifetime bringing it back, MPs on a free vote will always vote it down.

I accept in the UK that I am in the minority of not wanting the death penalty back,then again I am used to being in the minority on lots of issues.
In a referendum to bring back the death penalty,I would vote no, unless I had a separate option for its use for multiple murders by someone and also child killers.

Too many mistakes have been made in the past and really one possible innocent life killed by the death penalty being brought back is one too many.

I am surprised that poll had only 51% wanting it back though, generally prior to that the figure has always been nearer to 65%.

Also as to the comments as to being in Prison and as to why have certain privileges,well we only sentence people to prison now,we don't include hard labour or any labour really.
The only punishment prison gives is loss of liberty,until that is changed then privileges will be in force.

I also don't know of more than 3 people who would want to go to prison or even try it either for any length of time.

[Niall]

I think this is utterly ridiculous. Who are we to judge whether someone should live or not? After all if the death penalty was brought back for things such as murder then surely that would make us no better than the murderer in the first place?

Personally, I think its just people being ignorant about the implications and severity of the death penalty. Besides, being sentenced to a life in a prison cell with no chance of getting out is far, far worse imo than death. All the pain and suffering you'd have in prison before you die in there is surely much more of a punishment than killing someone right off the bat for their crimes.

Thats my take on it anyway.

[Boothy]

I don't think capital punishment is the way forward but I definitely think some criminals get an easy ride for the crime they've commited.

Originally Posted by Shaun

I think people exaggerate prisons - there seems to be the image of them as little Travelodges with Playstations and swimming pools or something. I went to see my oldest brother a couple of times as a child and whilst he didn't tell me then, he told my mother, that he pretty much cried himself to sleep every night. It's put the fear of God into me, so I don't know what's with the "omg dem paedophiles got 3 meals todaiii" attitude.

Maybe so, but they're still too cushty for some people. Obviously the circumstances under which the crime was committed need to be taken into account, but I think that the mass murderers or child molesterers in the world, someone like Ian Huntly for example, who would be eligible for the death penalty, should be made to stay in a dark, dingy hole with no bed, toilet or contact to anyone for the rest of their existance.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niall

I think this is utterly ridiculous. Who are we to judge whether someone should live or not? After if the death penalty was brought back for things such as murder then surely that would make us no better than the murderer in the first place?

Personally, I think its just people being ignorant about the implications and severity of the death penalty. Besides, being sentenced to a life in a prison cell with no chance of getting out is far, far worse imo than death. All the pain and suffering you'd have in prison before you die in there is surely much more of a punishment than killing someone right off the bat for their crimes.

Thats my take on it anyway.

1.Who was the murderer,rapists and pedophiles to judge on whoes lives they was going to destroy.

2.Not that stupid argument of we are no better than the killer or whatever criminal it is if we kill them crap,we dont hurt innocent people where as they do.

3.Life doesnt mean life in the uk,murderers are lucky if they get sentenced to 10 years,and if by some miracle that they do get sentenced higher than usual,they then have nintendo wiis,playstations and xbox and xbox 360,plus they have more security guards protecting them than the average criminal,so yeah they suffer worse than death.

[Livia]

I'm not so sure the majority of people in the UK are in favour of the death penalty. I think it depends on which poll you look at.

If the death penalty was actually a deterrent I'd probably agree with it. But it isn't. I do believe that hopeless cases should be in prison for life, though. A life sentence should mean life - not ten years and out in seven.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

1.Who was the murderer,rapists and pedophiles to judge on whoes lives they was going to destroy.

2.Not that stupid argument of we are no better than the killer or whatever criminal it is if we kill them crap,we dont hurt innocent people where as they do.

3.Life doesnt mean life in the uk,murderers are lucky if they get sentenced to 10 years,and if by some miracle that they do get sentenced higher than usual,they then have nintendo wiis,playstations and xbox and xbox 360,plus they have more security guards protecting them than the average criminal,so yeah they suffer worse than death.

I am not in favour of the death penalty overall but you point out some areas where I would support it, as to Paedophiles who kill children and I would also support it for someone committing multiple murders.

Sections 2 and 3 of your post are very strong points indeed and you are right, we don't hurt people in the first place so we cannot be the same as the Murderer if they were executed, they have already committed the murder.

You are also correct as to life not being life, I agree a life sentence should be that for murder and mean the rest of your life.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Bring it back and have the guy who threw the dog off the roof the first victim of it

[Suze]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Personally I am not in favour of the death penalty,however for multiple murders and child murderers I doubt I would lose any sleep for those if we had the death penalty.

For me the 100% certainty factor in a lot of cases is what worries me and there have been many proven miscarriages of justice to make me not want the death penalty back.
I could be persuaded to go along with it for the above crimes I mentioned above.

I am in the minority I know, as most people I know would vote to bring the death penalty back and poll after poll suggests the majority is with them.
However, I cannot see in my lifetime any Govt prepared to take the miscarriages of justice risks and therefore bringing the death penalty back in the UK.

I agree with your post, and am against the death penalty being brought back.

[Jords]

For severe crimes with 100% proof, yes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Suze

I agree with your post, and am against the death penalty being brought back.

Thank you very much Suze.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

1.Who was the murderer,rapists and pedophiles to judge on whoes lives they was going to destroy.

2.Not that stupid argument of we are no better than the killer or whatever criminal it is if we kill them crap,we dont hurt innocent people where as they do.

3.Life doesnt mean life in the uk,murderers are lucky if they get sentenced to 10 years,and if by some miracle that they do get sentenced higher than usual,they then have nintendo wiis,playstations and xbox and xbox 360,plus they have more security guards protecting them than the average criminal,so yeah they suffer worse than death.

You're right in a sense, they had no place to judge whether or not another person should remain living but do you really think the suitable punishment for their crime is death? I think thats like giving them a get out of jail free card.

Jail is worse then death anyways. You can't leave whenever you like, if you're jailed for life you will never have your freedom back again, you won't be able to see family members freely like you may have once upon a time. To be honest, I think the psychological ramifications of life in prison far outweigh the death penalty.

Also if I was running the prisons then I would make sure that murders etc wouldn't be allowed out if they are given life.

I believe the death penalty is amoral, wrong and backwards. :/

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Niall

You're right in a sense, they had no place to judge whether or not another person should remain living but do you really think the suitable punishment for their crime is death? I think thats like giving them a get out of jail free card.

Jail is worse then death anyways. You can't leave whenever you like, if you're jailed for life you will never have your freedom back again, you won't be able to see family members freely like you may have once upon a time. To be honest, I think the psychological ramifications of life in prison far outweigh the death penalty.

Also if I was running the prisons then I would make sure that murders etc wouldn't be allowed out if they are given life.

I believe the death penalty is amoral, wrong and backwards. :/

The thing is with the death penalty being an option for punishment, it should help reduce such awful crime out of fear..

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Jords

The thing is with the death penalty being an option for punishment, it should help reduce such awful crime out of fear..

I doubt it really does work though. The U.S still have the death penalty in some states and the amount of homicides in that country are through the roof and ik guns are widely available there but still. O_o

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

The thing is with the death penalty being an option for punishment, it should help reduce such awful crime out of fear..

As would de facto, zero tolerance 'life meaning life' in strict prisons.

And at far less of a cost to the taxpayer.

It's ironic that most people who want the death penalty back seem to be historically right wing Christians. Apparently 'thou shalt not kill' had a footnote.

[joeysteele]

I don't think the death penalty would deter anyone determined to murder someone. As many say on here, the USA has largely in many States the death penalty and their murder rates are sky high.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think the death penalty would deter anyone determined to murder someone. As many say on here, the USA has largely in many States the death penalty and their murder rates are sky high.

Plus the penal system over there appears to be far stricter than our prison system - as you say, it's not the deterrant that it should be.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Stu

It's the retarded, bloodlust hope of armchair warriors everywhere. Most of whom are too stupid to realize that the legal procudure involved would actually cost the state far more than housing a prisoner for life.

Never heard such bull manure in all my born days.,....

[Stu]

I'm not surprised that it took you more than a day to pop out.