[cub]

I cannot see a young urban/pop artist taking advice from a 60 year old woman. It's unimportant that Cheryl didn't know an old Elton John song from 35 years ago. The important thing is she understood what is current TODAY.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by cub

I cannot see a young urban/pop artist taking advice from a 60 year old woman. It's unimportant that Cheryl didn't know an old Elton John song from 35 years ago. The important thing is she understood what is current TODAY.

It's important a judge has a good understanding about a range of music.

The Elton John reference was an example that she knows very little outside of autotuned pop.

This will become more noticeable in the USA when she is faced with a broader range of music which is very popular over there and rarely seen here.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

because she didnt know a certain EJ track from 1972 that proves she has no knowledge of music? yeah right.

The oldie judges often don't have a clue about modern day or recent artists. I'd say thats far more of a worry considering theyre actually trying to find a CURRENT artist. Theyre not searching for a 70s tribute act.

I refer you to my other post.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

It's important a judge has a good understanding about a range of music.

The Elton John reference was an example that she knows very little outside of autotuned pop.

This will become more noticeable in the USA when she is faced with a broader range of music which is very popular over there and rarely seen here.

It wasn't that she should know everything, but she knows extremely little outside of Girls Aloud's genre of music.
Take the current American Idol finalists, country singers and imagine Cheryl coaching them.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

It wasn't that she should know everything, but she knows extremely little outside of Girls Aloud's genre of music.

how do you know? Anyways all judges have their musical preferences. Just because youre not into country doesnt mean you can't still choose a song that suits their voice. Sometimes its good to take them outside the box.

Your logic applies to all judges on all talent shows. They could all be considered unsuitable to mentor or judge certain genres of music. But its not always relevant.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

how do you know? Anyways all judges have their musical preferences. Just because youre not into country doesnt mean you can't still choose a song that suits their voice. Sometimes its good to take them outside the box.

Your logic applies to all judges on all talent shows. They could all be considered unsuitable to mentor or judge certain genres of music. But its not always relevant.

Musical preferences? Yes, but they at least know what they're talking about or dealing with when it comes to artists that differ from their own likes.

And taking them outside the box? I assume you mean make the artist something that the judge likes better, making them something completely different to who they are. Yet another manufactured popstar.

And how do I know?
Uh, because Cheryl's been on X Factor for the past three years and proven it.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Musical preferences? Yes, but they at least know what they're talking about or dealing with when it comes to artists that differ from their own likes.

oh do they now? Funny I don't see any proof of that. Or at least no more proof than what I see with Cheryl.

all the judges choose inappropriate songs from time to time. ALL of them do.

[cub]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I refer you to my other post.



It wasn't that she should know everything, but she knows extremely little outside of Girls Aloud's genre of music.

Not so. I think she lead the panel towards a deeper understanding and appreciation of urban pop. That's why Simon was wittering on about 'the future' in regard to Cher Lloyd (and actually he got that wrong - he should have said 'the present') so he could keep up with Cheryl.

You have to have someone with a current knowledge of contemporary pop - not be a pop historian (and if you want that, you have Louis, and to a lesser extent, Barlow).

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by cub

Not so. I think she lead the panel towards a deeper understanding and appreciation of urban pop. That's why Simon was wittering on about 'the future' in regard to Cher Lloyd (and actually he got that wrong - he should have said 'the present') so he could keep up with Cheryl.

You have to have someone with a current knowledge of contemporary pop - not be a pop historian (and if you want that, you have Louis, and to a lesser extent, Barlow).

I'm not talking about someone with historic knowledge, but a broader knowledge when it comes to classic influences, genres etc.

Proof of this is the fact Cheryl is never given any acts outside of her age bracket and pop capability.

[cub]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm not talking about someone with historic knowledge, but a broader knowledge when it comes to classic influences, genres etc.

Proof of this is the fact Cheryl is never given any acts outside of her age bracket and pop capability.

No, no, no. That's why you have a TEAM of judges, each of whom brings some experience/expertise to the table. It's not important that each judge has a broad insight, as I've said. It's like saying Louis should know all about hip-hop acts and current chart trends. You need a balance. That comes with individual approaches.

It's going to look odd to have Barlow, Louis AND Osbourne (all in their 40s and 50s) and just ONE young judge judging a pop act for the charts TODAY. Not who knows what chart position Crocosh*te Rock got to.