[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I'm disappointed in you ElProximo, I'm not sure weather you're winding people up on purpose.

You seem to be intelligent, but the words you choose are very hurtful. I think a HUGE portion of our society would find a lot of your comments grotesque.

Also homosexuality is part of normal life. There is nothing wrong or immoral about it.

Live and let live.

A totally appropriate post GypsyGoth,very reasoned, as you say live and let live.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

You seem to be intelligent, but the words you choose are very hurtful. I think a HUGE portion of our society would find a lot of your comments grotesque.

Right and a lot of people find your opinion (seen below) disgusting and offensive to their senses.
They find your kind of opinion 'hurtful' to society.

But that is something of my point here and notice how I am aware a % of people do actually hold your opinion?
You don't see me responding completely BAFFLED and saying "HUH WHAT?? HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS CORRECT ONLY SO YOU ARE DISMISSED!

Also homosexuality is part of normal life.

No of course not. Almost nobody will ever indulge in homosexual sex. Maybe 3% of the population might make that a 'normal' part of their life.
Most will never have sex of any kind with anyone of their same gender.

There is nothing wrong or immoral about it.

Says who? You?
By what standard?

Live and let live.

Okay then you should not have hurt my feelings and disagreed with me. You see.. if you would just let us alone?
Yet you are the one attacking me and my people and making insults and why not just let us live?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Right and a lot of people find your opinion (seen below) disgusting and offensive to their senses.
They find your kind of opinion 'hurtful' to society.

But that is something of my point here and notice how I am aware a % of people do actually hold your opinion?
You don't see me responding completely BAFFLED and saying "HUH WHAT?? HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS CORRECT ONLY SO YOU ARE DISMISSED!



No of course not. Almost nobody will ever indulge in homosexual sex. Maybe 3% of the population might make that a 'normal' part of their life.
Most will never have sex of any kind with anyone of their same gender.



Says who? You?
By what standard?


Okay then you should not have hurt my feelings and disagreed with me. You see.. if you would just let us alone?
Yet you are the one attacking me and my people and making insults and why not just let us live?

Because we don't go out of our way to show our hate, whereas you do.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No of course not. Almost nobody will ever indulge in homosexual sex. Maybe 3% of the population might make that a 'normal' part of their life. Most will never have sex of any kind with anyone of their same gender.

LOL. You are so naive. you need to get out more.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by lostalex

if you get an infraction for that, then at least 5 or 6 of us should also be getting infractions. elproximo is clearly a bigot, but i don't think it's against the rules to say so. It's just the truth. I doubt the mods will want to defend someone like him/her.

The rules clearly state homophobia is not tolerated, yet he gets away with making really homophobic posts, like the ones in this thread, half the time? Its ridiculous.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

LOL. You are so naive. you need to get out more.

I get out plenty. For a few years I lived in a part of a city especially known for its high concentration of homosexual men. Not only this. I might be one of the few straight dudes who has been welcomed into their 'inner circles' now and then.
In fact, it was once my job to find out just how many homosexuals there were in town. So my boss could market to them. (or try and find out how).
At that time we were (quite serious now) actually inventing ways to identify just how many homosexuals there were.
At that time there had not yet been any good studies and surveys.
We came up with a few simple ideas (and also some complicated ones) but it actually came to:
- subscription rates for homosexual magazines.
- number of homosexual nightclubs.
- stores selling gay gear, costumes, porn etc.
- police stats on things like prostitution, sex in public charges etc.
Keep in mind, we were aware of reasons why some of these stats these might not tell us everything.
for example - number of homosexual profiles on a dating site could be higher for the very reason there are less of them and therefore needing to use and post more adverts seeking each other.
or,
we might be looking at the same '10 gay escorts' racking up repeat offenses but less so repeating names in the 'heterosexual escort' stats.

Anyways,
We were not exactly social scientists but simply trying to find out some close guesstimate so the boss could aim sales. Really just find out if it was even worth it.
We guesstimated around 1% of the population could be identified as actively 'openly' lifestyle gay.
We guesstimated it might be double that number of what we described as the so-called in-the-closet private affair types.

We didn't count people who may had some 'experiment back in Uni' they long since dismissed or people who touched wieners with a kid back in adventure camp weekend.
OK.
One of the best and most thorough scientific studies on the subject did come out just after we spend 100 hours heh.
And guess what it estimated?
1 to 3 percent.
In fact, we were pretty much bang-on even in the rough categories we imagined.
The studies put it somewhere at around 1% openly, actively dedicated ongoing homosexuals.
The other 2%?
This included that 'closeted' kind of group who you can say are continuous to some degree even if secretly to anyone who considered (by their own standard) a 'homosexual experience' even if this was simply 'seeing a homosexual movie' or 'touched penis' with a kid in school etc.

So if you want me to educate you on the subject or tell you more about various social and cultural difference around the world,
or,
share a lot of information i have directly from active 'out' homosexuals?
Feel free to ask.
I will be happy to help you learn more about it.

[joeysteele]

I respect you are entitled to your views ElProximo,I don't agree with much you say on this subject but you do seem to be obsessed with pointing out only the negatives of homosexuality, there are likely as many negatives to heterosexuality too.

I have gay and straight friends, both at Uni and personally in my home area too, male and female. I see and hear nothing of the way you paint them to be as a generalisation at all.

[lostalex]

I have no respect at all for elproximo's views, in fact I find them offensive and ignorant and bigoted.

I find him to be a hateful little man that has no respect for human beings, and has no understanding of love as a universal concept.

I find him to be repugnant and vile and whatever it is that snails leave behind them,, that slime they ooze, I'm sure he's made of something similar to that.

All of the hate he spews I hope translates into misery in his own life. I wish nothing but the worst for him.


That's my opinion.

what is the "great white north"? Canada?

[Shaun]

It's just frightening that someone can build a group out of one particular personality trait and assign them this huge array of statistics and generalisations that are supposedly dangerous. "Oh they get around a lot", so what? At least someone is. "Oh it's not natural, they're a minority" - you're talking to people hundreds of miles away, don't harp on about what's 'natural' thanks.

It's just absurd. Not a single thing about gay marriage has an impact on you. Not one thing affects your life. Why try to sabotage their happiness?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It's just frightening that someone can build a group out of one particular personality trait and assign them this huge array of statistics and generalisations that are supposedly dangerous. "Oh they get around a lot", so what? At least someone is. "Oh it's not natural, they're a minority" - you're talking to people hundreds of miles away, don't harp on about what's 'natural' thanks.

It's just absurd. Not a single thing about gay marriage has an impact on you. Not one thing affects your life. Why try to sabotage their happiness?

str8 white christian men are beginning to realize that they are a small minority, and they are scared.


The era of str8 white men Apartheid is comming to an end, and they don't like it.


Str8 white men are a minority, and it's about time they started being treated like a minority.

[joeysteele]

I didn't actually say I respected ElProximo's views on this,I said I respected he was entitled to his own views,even though they are wrong.

[Marc]

This thread is getting a little out of hand

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marc.

This thread is getting a little out of hand

i concur, you should close it.

[cub]

Can I just add what I've said before about statistics. Usually statistics are very useful, even accurate. However in the case of sexuality they might be misleading (for obvious reasons). So I don't buy this 2/3% thing.

[cub]

By the way, before this thread is locked, thank you lostalex for the nice reply - even if I did have to look up "socratic".

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by cub

By the way, before this thread is locked, thank you lostalex for the nice reply - even if I did have to look up "socratic".

no worries. <3

(Socratic Method: a form of inquiry and debate between individuals with opposing viewpoints based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to illuminate ideas.)

[bananarama]

General relationship studies should cover all aspects of human choices with no enphases on either one type of relationship or another......

It would be far better if children were to taught that only dumb assess take drugs. Taught not to walk like Charly Chaplin with feet sprawled apart and taught not to slouch like little old men and women and dress in trousers of which the seat of their pants reaches their ankles as if they had just messed themselves......

They should be taught not to swear like troopers and think they can do as adults do like drinking and indulging in sexual activities

Time children were taught some style and make themselves a little more employable when they leave education.

All of the above would reduce the likelyhood of youngsters being part of the long term unemployed due to slovenly appearances and bad attitudes

[letmein]

ElProximo continues to break the rules. Time to get banned.

[Redway]

Of course not. Maybe further down the line, but not as young children.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Redway

Of course not. Maybe further down the line, but not as young children.

Does that go for heterosexuality as well?

[Redway]

Why should marriage in general be taught in schools? You catch on. Children don't need to be filled with that - they can take parenting seminars when they're 30 (I've twelve years to wait, lol).

[Redway]

Originally Posted by letmein

Does that go for heterosexuality as well?

Yeah.

[MusicMan]

I don't think gay marriage should be specifically highlighted in schools, because then it becomes an issue. If gay marriage is legal in whatever country/state, then when the topic of marriage comes up in class etc, of course gay marriage should be considered alongside straight marriage. It won't make children suddenly go "ah, I think I'm gonna be gay now!", they don't even have sexual feelings by that age. It just makes it less of an alien topic and so it's not so much of a shock when they get older. No need to rub it in their faces or anything but just introducing the fact that couples don't necessarily have to be between a man and a woman certainly can't hurt in my opinion, so long as both heterosexual and homosexual marriages are taught as on par with each other.

[Sam:)]

I dont think marriage should be taught at school,the majority of children know marriage exists.I dont think gay marriage should be taught in school in c.s.p.e. we learn about the gay community.Oh and btw ElProximo as a straight,white,christian man im utterly disgusted at your comments,people like you deserve to be shot.Personally I think your trying to hide the fact that your gay by slating them,YOU ARE A REPULSING HUMAN BEING!

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.



If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

Oi. Pack it in. How dare you stereotype every bloody homosexual in the world. Just listen to yourself. Are you suggesting that homosexuals are the only people in the world who have multiple partners? Or have heterosexual couples not had multiple partners? I'm not gay, but I cannot believe the stupidity of some on here. Are you telling me that straight couples don't cheat on their spouse? That's where the major stories about spouses cheating on each other come from.

Here are a few statistics, just for you:

http://www.catalogs.com/info/relatio...n-each-ot.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel...elity_research

and a dozen other asking why people cheat on each other.

Don't say, "I never said they cheat - I said they cheat more." More than half of married couples cheat on each other. The reason why the mark is only at 55% is because most people don't like to admit their infidelity (we're talking straight couples, here).

That is approximately the percentage of men who cheat on women, vice versa. Sounds like you're just trolling now.

It's very clear you're one of those perverted homophobes. Game's over, soz. :/