[Stu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People who think addiction is all about choice and that it's her own fault come across as the ignorant morons they are. I hate drugs and I hate people who take them but I understand that addiction is an illness and one that's hard to beat, you won't get over it as quickly as Phil Mitchell did in Eastenders...

Amy Winehouse was a troubled soul, she obviously couldn't have shook the need for drugs off if she wanted to.

Well said. Pyramid herself has sampled drug addiction - namely Nicotine - yet refuses to legitamise my comparative arguments which are entirely credible. Tobacco slowly kills you and slowly reels you in. Crack and Heroin can kill you much faster and reel you in much faster. They are far, far, far more pleasing than tobacco.

Any regular smoker should have absoloutely symptahy and understanding for how horrific a hardcore drug addiction can be. I refuse to see the point in any 'she got what she deserved' or 'well my uncle ...' style arguments.

I'm betting she didn't actually want to die and like I said at the top of the thread ... the buck stops there for me. And even if she did screw it up for herself ... I feel sorry for her. What's the harm in that? It's a lost life for christ sake.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter before it gets messy. I've articulated myself as much as I can.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

Well said. Pyramid herself has sampled drug addiction - namely Nicotine - yet refuses to legitamise my comparative arguments which are entirely credible. Tobacco slowly kills you and slowly reels you in. Crack and Heroin can kill you much faster and reel you in much faster. They are far, far, far more pleasing than tobacco.

Any regular smoker should have absoloutely symptahy and understanding for how horrific a hardcore drug addiction can be. I refuse to see the point in any 'she got what she deserved' or 'well my uncle ...' style arguments.

I'm betting she didn't actually want to die and like I said at the top of the thread ... the buck stops there for me. And even if she did screw it up for herself ... I feel sorry for her. What's the harm in that? It's a lost life for christ sake.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter before it gets messy. I've articulated myself as much as I can.

Since when did anyone die from from having a few too many fags one Saturday afternoon at the age of 27?

What happened to your prevous thought that smoking shouldn't be used as a comparison ... as you stated in your earlier post - I thought you didn't think it had any place in this type of discussion: or is it only smoking when it's referred to hash/weed/bit of skunk.

It took me twenty four hours to stop smoking dope after a daily four year habit. It's far from perfect but it shoudln't even be brought up as a point of comparison in addiction debates.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Since when did anyone die from from having a few too many fags one Saturday afternoon at the age of 27?

What happened to your prevous thought that smoking shouldn't be used as a comparison ... as you stated in your earlier post - I thought you didn't think it had any place in this type of discussion: or is it only smoking when it's referred to hash/weed/bit of skunk.

You have made this same absurd point and I have responded to it. Tobacco could kill you eventually. Cannabis will not.

I was clearly talking about Cannabis in the post you alluded to because I was responding to a post about Cannabis. Mentioning Cannabis in my post.

It doesn't matter if tobacco takes a few decades to kill you. It's still an addiction and it's still an addiction that kills. I took relativity into account in my posts. Crack could kill you within a few weeks with a heavy addiction. Tobacco could kill you within a few years with a heavy addiction.

I never once said tobacco was worse than crack. I always said it was a simple comparison to get tobacco smokers to understand and that relativity should be taken into account. Please read.

Originally Posted by Zee

...yes, I'm not talking about the act of taking drugs though, I'm talking about the choice to actually take them in the first place.

The choice leads to the act.

Originally Posted by Zee

she made a choice at some point in her life to take drugs.

As did I. As did you. Not relevant.

Originally Posted by Zee

but if she truly wanted to quit drugs, all she had to do was take that first step of removing herself from an environment where she could access drugs. Move to the countryside. Go to an obscure island. Lock yourself in and never come out again. There are options, and she had the money to utilise them, which isn't an option that many drug addicts don't have.

But she didn't make those choices. She could have. But she was a drug addict.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Stu

The choice leads to the act.


As did I. As did you. Not relevant.


But she didn't make those choices. She could have. But she was a drug addict.

I'm not addicted to drugs. She was. I made the choice to try drugs, and then didn't go back to them. She did. She could have, she didn't, she's dead and therefore it's fair enough to discuss that failure to do so without being ripped apart for not being emotionally invested in her death. It's just a difference in opinion towards the topic of drugs, it's something you and I disagree on and we have done in countless threads, I think this could go round and round in circles so this'll be my last post in this thread.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zee

I'm not addicted to drugs. She was. I made the choice to try drugs, and then didn't go back to them. She did. She could have, she didn't, she's dead and therefore it's fair enough to discuss that failure to do so without being ripped apart for not being emotionally invested in her death. It's just a difference in opinion towards the topic of drugs, it's something you and I disagree on and we have done in countless threads, I think this could go round and round in circles so this'll be my last post in this thread.

Further on the BIB. I have made a choice as far as illegal drugs are concerned. I've tried many in my time: through choice.

I've also been in a position to try some serious stuff - and refused - through choicer.

It's that choice thing again. I chose to limit to an occasional spliff, I chose not to try anything that could be seen as very easily addictive. It is all about choice.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Further on the BIB. I have made a choice as far as illegal drugs are concerned. I've tried many in my time: through choice.

I've also been in a position to try some serious stuff - and refused - through choicer.

It's that choice thing again. I chose to limit to an occasional spliff, I chose not to try anything that could be seen as very easily addictive. It is all about choice.

LOL classic I resisted temptation so everybody else should be able to resist.

Get this: YOU are not Amy and do not have her mindset, history, personality or vulnerabilities.

But good for you. Congrats on being superior to those who succumb to temptations. Im sure youve been in many similar situations to Amy what with your Rock n roll lifestyle et al.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zippy

LOL classic I resisted temptation so everybody else should be able to resist.

Get this: YOU are not Amy and do not have her mindset, history, personality or vulnerabilities.

But good for you. Congrats on being superior to those who succumb to temptations. Im sure youve been in many similar situations to Amy what with your Rock n roll lifestyle et al.

oh I'm not superior....far from it. It doesn't negate me from having a non sympathetic viewpoint however.

I'm also able to post without facetious comments such as yours.

Like every other human being out there though: I am educated enough - as are most 8 year olds - as to the dangers of A class drugs. As I am sure AW was - and as are all those who chose to take such substances.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

You have made this same absurd point and I have responded to it. Tobacco could kill you eventually. Cannabis will not.

I was clearly talking about Cannabis in the post you alluded to because I was responding to a post about Cannabis. Mentioning Cannabis in my post.

It doesn't matter if tobacco takes a few decades to kill you. It's still an addiction and it's still an addiction that kills. I took relativity into account in my posts. Crack could kill you within a few weeks with a heavy addiction. Tobacco could kill you within a few years with a heavy addiction.

I never once said tobacco was worse than crack. I always said it was a simple comparison to get tobacco smokers to understand and that relativity should be taken into account. Please read.


The choice leads to the act.


As did I. As did you. Not relevant.


But she didn't make those choices. She could have. But she was a drug addict.

AW didn't make the choice to take A class drugs, that would eventually kill here?

How do you suggest she got into A class drugs initially then? Are you saying she was forced, against her will?

of course she had a choice. She choose to take them....the rest led to today's events.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Zee

I'm not addicted to drugs. She was. I made the choice to try drugs, and then didn't go back to them. She did. She could have, she didn't, she's dead and therefore it's fair enough to discuss that failure to do so without being ripped apart for not being emotionally invested in her death. It's just a difference in opinion towards the topic of drugs, it's something you and I disagree on and we have done in countless threads, I think this could go round and round in circles so this'll be my last post in this thread.

What about Alcohol? One of the primary drugs in her downfall? You made the choice to go back to that, right? She did too. And with her personality it took hold and she couldn't shake it. She failed. I have sympathy.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

AW didn't make the choice to take A class drugs, that would eventually kill here?

How do you suggest she got into A class drugs initially then? Are you saying she was forced, against her will?

of course she had a choice. She choose to take them....the rest led to today's events.

I never said she didn't choose to take druga initially? You are bolding two sentences that are entirely seperate in context to one another.

Again please read others posts more carefully.

I'm washing my hands of you tonight as of now.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

What about Alcohol? One of the primary drugs in her downfall? You made the choice to go back to that, right? She did too. And with her personality it took hold and she couldn't shake it. She failed. I have sympathy.


I never said she didn't choose to take druga initially? You are bolding two sentences that are entirely seperate in context to one another.

Again please read others posts more carefully.

I'm washing my hands of you tonight as of now.

Good to see that you are in argreement that AW did have a choice after all.

I don't need to read your posts more carefully. I asked how you thought she became involved in A class drugs? You've chosen not to reply to that - I suspect possiby because the same answer will arise: she chose to take them - regardless.

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Good to see that you are in argreement that AW did have a choice after all.

I don't need to read your posts more carefully. I asked how you thought she became involved in A class drugs? You've chosen not to reply to that - I suspect possiby because the same answer will arise: she chose to take them - regardless.

Amy chose to start taking drugs, yes, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise but it was not her choice to get addicted. When you started smoking were you planning on getting addicted to something that could, eventually, contribute to your death? It's a totally different argument altogether.

Now, take your nicotine addiction. Multiply that ten-fold. Mix that with someone who had obvious mental issues anyway, as proved by her eating disorders, and tell me how she had a choice to stop taking drugs.

[tmi]

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