[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

http://twitter.com/#!/iamMarkRonson/...84509681590272

I am sure that a great many people who knew her personally, will feel this way. They are perfecty entitled to feel that way.

I didnt. I don't.

[MTVN]

I think you're missing the point, the severity of the drug is irrelevant, as is whether it will kill you at 27 or 67, an addiction is still an addiction

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

When I started smoking, I was very aware of the dangers. I chose to continue smoking. That choice, I was very well aware, would in all likelyhood, not kill me by smoking one too many on a Saturday afternoon when I was 27. Crucial point.

Completely moot point in the debate. AW did not die from nicotine - to continue using as a comparison is simply not worthwhile.... you are correct as you said yourself - 'It's a different argument altogether ' - so I don't know why this particular drum continues to be brought up.

Smoking fags did not kill AW.

Nicotine is one amongst many addictivesubstances in the fags , tried rose hip fags herbal and all that.

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by tmi

Nicotine is not the addictive stuff its the other shyte that is in the fags , tried rose hip fags herbal and all that.

You for real?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Boothy

No, I'm not debating the potency of the drug nor am I trying to say she died from nicotine. I'm trying to get across the mental effects of addiction using a drug you're familiar with first hand.

I know what you are getting at. My point is still very clear. Nicotine addiction cannot ever be compared to addiction to A class drugs.

Never in a million years. Some people are addicted to coffee. Do you want to bring that addiction into the equation? Absurd? Of course it is:but it is a perfect example of how everything is relative.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Boothy

You for real?

Yep they add stuff to the tobacco and thats what makes the brain crave the cigs. Bit like the addictive addititives in chocolate and sweets.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by tmi

Nicotine is not the addictive stuff its the other shyte that is in the fags , tried rose hip fags herbal and all that.

Nicotine is the addictive substance in Tobacco products.

Bloody hell. You have to be taking the mick biscuit, right?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I know what you are getting at. My point is still very clear. Nicotine addiction cannot ever be compared to addiction to A class drugs.

Never in a million years. Some people are addicted to coffee. Do you want to bring that addiction into the equation? Absurd? Of course it is:but it is a perfect example of how everything is relative.

Who hands over note after note for twenty cups of coffee a day because they have to?

Boothy's comparison is entirely relevant. Cigarettes could kill you gradually. Crack and Heroin could kill you instantly. Both are extremely addictive.

You could stop smoking. Amy could have stopped shooting up/hitting the pipe.

Stop trying to cover for your own addiction. It's an addiction just like Amy's. Only hers was more immediate and instantly devestating.

It's a valid comparison. Again take your own tobacco addiction - my own tobacco addiction - and multiply it by a thousand. Surely you can see where we are coming from?

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I know what you are getting at. My point is still very clear. Nicotine addiction cannot ever be compared to addiction to A class drugs.

Never in a million years. Some people are addicted to coffee. Do you want to bring that addiction into the equation? Absurd? Of course it is:but it is a perfect example of how everything is relative.

I agree, that's why I said multiply it ten-fold. You're arguing that she had a choice to stop using drugs. Mixing an addiction to drugs like crack and heroin with a vulnerable being stops all sense of reality. Drugs took over her life. She even said she was scared of dying at 27 in an interview from 2008 (the links somewhere in this thread) so she obviously knew the effects they were having on her and I'm sure she didn't WANT to die young.

Arguing that she had the choice to stop is pretty narrow-minded.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tmi

Nicotine is not the addictive stuff its the other shyte that is in the fags , tried rose hip fags herbal and all that.

Nicotine is what makes cigarettes addictive tmi.

The other 'shyte' in fags is what causes the damage to the body - skin / organs etc

the substance acts as a stimulant in mammals and is the main factor responsible for the dependence-forming properties of tobacco smoking

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by tmi

Yep they add stuff to the tobacco and thats what makes the brain crave the cigs. Bit like the addictive addititives in chocolate and sweets.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Stu

Nicotine is the addictive substance in Tobacco products.

Bloody hell. You have to be taking the mick biscuit, right?


Who hands over note after note for twenty cups of coffee a day because they have to?

Boothy's comparison is entirely relevant. Cigarettes could kill you gradually. Crack and Heroin could kill you instantly. Both are extremely addictive.

You could stop smoking. Amy could have stopped shooting up/hitting the pipe.

Stop trying to cover for your own addiction. It's an addiction just like Amy's.

Next time you have cig read the label it is just not the nicotine that is addictive it is the other things as well. Toxins they add.

bib I will have tea with mine ,coffee is addictive, I know someone who is addicted to diet coke. It is all about the substance they add to products.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by tmi

I know someone who is addicted to diet coke.

or so they claim

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Boothy

A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

Nicotine is the addictive substance in Tobacco products.

Bloody hell. You have to be taking the mick biscuit, right?


Who hands over note after note for twenty cups of coffee a day because they have to?

Boothy's comparison is entirely relevant. Cigarettes could kill you gradually. Crack and Heroin could kill you instantly. Both are extremely addictive.

You could stop smoking. Amy could have stopped shooting up/hitting the pipe.

Stop trying to cover for your own addiction. It's an addiction just like Amy's. Only hers was more immediate and instantly devestating.

How am I trying to cover up for my own addiction? am I sneaking around the forum having a fly puff in the crevices of the sub-sections that never hit the front pages or something?

Hey: I'm still alive, kicking and posting here on tibbs - I chose an addiction that wouldn't kill me right off - I chose one that I'd get some years under my belt before I pop my clogs. It's called making an informed decision.

Furthermore: this thread is to about AW btw: and not me personally - or indeed my smoking habits.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Zippy

or so they claim

Well they get through 4 litres a day, no coke I mean Joke

[Stu]

Originally Posted by tmi

Next time you have cig read the label it is just not the nicotine that is addictive it is the other things as well. Toxins they add.

bib I will have tea with mine ,coffee is addictive, I know someone who is addicted to diet coke. It is all about the substance they add to products.

Toxins are there to give flavour and preservation amonst other things.

Nicotine is what is addictive in tobacco. End of argument. Ask anyone. Smoking is simply a delivery route for a smokers nicotine addiction.

I fine the aesthetic of smoking pleasing too but at the end of the day if there is no nicotine there I don't feel the same satisfaction.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Boothy

I agree, that's why I said multiply it ten-fold. You're arguing that she had a choice to stop using drugs. Mixing an addiction to drugs like crack and heroin with a vulnerable being stops all sense of reality. Drugs took over her life. She even said she was scared of dying at 27 in an interview from 2008 (the links somewhere in this thread) so she obviously knew the effects they were having on her and I'm sure she didn't WANT to die young.

Arguing that she had the choice to stop is pretty narrow-minded.

I think you will find that the main thrust on my view - is less to do with her having the choice to stop - but FAR MORE on the clear fact that she had the choice to (a) not start (b) stop before addiction set in.

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

or so they claim

Not that odd. I do know someone addicted to coke. (cola)

I think its the caffeine though. If she doesnt have at least 4 litres a day she actually starts shaking and getting headaches and that :/

[Omah]

http://www.quit-smoking-stop.com/har...igarettes.html

Nicotine
(insecticide/addictive drug)

One of the most addictive substances known to man, a powerful and fast-acting medical and non-medical poison.
This is the chemical which causes addiction.

I found out how powerful when I OD'd on patches when I was giving up smoking - I started "tripping" .....

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not that odd. I do know someone addicted to coke. (cola)

I think its the caffeine though. If she doesnt have at least 4 litres a day she actually starts shaking and getting headaches and that :/

This happens to my mum if she doesn't have enough caffeine. She's actually getting worried now and trying to stop buying coke. (cola)

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not that odd. I do know someone addicted to coke. (cola)

I think its the caffeine though. If she doesnt have at least 4 litres a day she actually starts shaking and getting headaches and that :/

Yes the person I know does as well, I also know a person addictive to coffee and they have ten cups everyday, when I have drunk more than three in any given time I have shakes. I like my tea.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

How am I trying to cover up for my own addiction? am I sneaking around the forum having a fly puff in the crevices of the sub-sections that never hit the front pages or something?

Hey: I'm still alive, kicking and posting here on tibbs - I chose an addiction that wouldn't kill me right off - I chose one that I'd get some years under my belt before I pop my clogs. It's called making an informed decision.

Furthermore: this thread is to about AW btw: and not me personally - or indeed my smoking habits.

If you genuinly volunteered to be addicted to Nicotine then you are a fool. As are my.

Nobody chooses to be addicted to Nicotine. Can you remember the first cigarette where you became addicted? No?

Amy Winehouse didn't choose to be addicted to Crack or Heroin. Or Alcohol for that matter. She was a tragic being who dabbled in the wrong stuff and found out she couldn't get the better of it.

I haven't taken Crack but I've smoked Heroin. Not twice. Once. I wouldn't admit to it lightly. I could have gotten hooked off that one experience. It was absoloute heaven for fifteen minutes. I was told one experience could not get you addicted and that was true in my experience but ... I've got the better of it. I never went back. It hooked her. Drugs can hook you like that. I've railed my fair share of speed and coke too. And I've never felt the urge to go on. I knew when enoughb was enough. That's my body chemistry. You can't predict others.

Just like that certain unknown cigarette that hooked both you and I.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.quit-smoking-stop.com/har...igarettes.html



I found out how powerful when I OD'd on patches when I was giving up smoking - I started "tripping" .....

I know someone who wore 4 patches smoked a cig at same time, he was shaking and vomiting.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

Your views are always incredibly narrow minded. And certainly not factual.

Truth is you don't even know how she became addicted(could've been spiked which is a common way of getting people hooked against their will). You also don't know how capable she was of resisting certain temptations. You do not know her demons.

So no, facts have nothing to do with it. You just lack empathy, sympathy, understanding and compassion. That much is apparent.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Your views are always incredibly narrow minded. And certainly not factual.

Truth is you don't even know how she became addicted(could've been spiked which is a common way of getting people hooked against their will). You also don't know how capable she was of resisting certain temptations. You do not know her demons.

So no, facts have nothing to do with it. You just lack empathy, sympathy, understanding and compassion. That much is apparent.

bib I would disagree with that about Mid, but it is your opnion and you can choose to say what you want, but dont expect everyone to agree.