[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This is going to sound really heartless...but I find it hard to feel sorry for people who are in that state via their own doing. And I dont think she wants help either. Needs it, yeah, but doesnt want it.

Not heartless. Just honest

I am a little mystified why she did it more than anything else. I mean, you know you're about to do a concert...... Dutch courage, fair enough but thats not Dutch courage

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Not heartless. Just honest

I am a little mystified why she did it more than anything else. I mean, you know you're about to do a concert...... Dutch courage, fair enough but thats not Dutch courage

Exactly

Everyones meant to feel sorry for the poor little girl. When its her own damn fault. Of course they made her go on...people had paid to see her, and she will have known about the concert ages in advance too...not like they just told her that morning.

[Kerry]

Actually, the more I think about it.... why didn't any of those backing singers/band stop her? Why did nobody at all stop her going on? Who on earth let her actually walk on that stage in the first place? Surely her fans would have rather had her cancel than humiliate herself? You can't tell me NOBODY saw she was in a state before she actually got onstage

[InOne]

Hasn't she only had one good album? Like I know she's done a few but wasn't it only one that got big? One could argue she was a flash in the pan anyway...

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by InOne

Hasn't she only had one good album? Like I know she's done a few but wasn't it only one that got big? One could argue she was a flash in the pan anyway...

I've never liked her stuff or her really. Don't like seeing people crash though

[Vicky.]

I have a feeling her management etc. like her being a mess.

Keeps her in the limelight doesnt it. Not like she really has the talent to last without some kind of controversy :/

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have a feeling her management etc. like her being a mess.

Keeps her in the limelight doesnt it. Not like she really has the talent to last without some kind of controversy :/

Just had a similar thought actually

[Stu]

Originally Posted by InOne

Hasn't she only had one good album? Like I know she's done a few but wasn't it only one that got big? One could argue she was a flash in the pan anyway...

To be fair she had the first critically acclaimed, high selling album and then the second ... critically acclaimed, high selling album. The debut and the breakthrough.

I'd hardly call her recording career inconsistent. It obviously stopped dead though.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Actually, the more I think about it.... why didn't any of those backing singers/band stop her? Why did nobody at all stop her going on? Who on earth let her actually walk on that stage in the first place? Surely her fans would have rather had her cancel than humiliate herself? You can't tell me NOBODY saw she was in a state before she actually got onstage

I don't feel sorry for her except in that these people always have the wrong people around them when they need to have the right people there and because she knows them she feels safe with them despite all evidence to the contrary .

The people who let her go on despite her state, (and of course she herself is more to blame for even attempting this while she is still in the state she is),those people make money from her, they know Amy had stage presence to her strong fans at any rate, that normally would mean she could do almost anything and get away with it,they will have thought she would just be accepted despite the mess she was in and that would be that,it backfired heavily and I'm pleased it has.

Whether that will make her really throw all the bad influences out of her life and really get herself sorted I doubt that completely,however it will be the only way she has any hope though of getting anywhere near sorting herself out at all.

[bbfan1991]

She has the talent but her own fault things have ended up this way, a shame really.

[cub]

I've already said all that.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This is going to sound really heartless...but I find it hard to feel sorry for people who are in that state via their own doing. And I dont think she wants help either. Needs it, yeah, but doesnt want it.

That's my opinion on her too. She's not really my cup of tea but I do like Back to Black, I just think it's ridiculous that people are still harping on about her being a trainwreck when she's been a trainwreck for the past, what, four years? She's barely done anything new musically in the past four years to my knowledge and it's just sad to see someone become more notorious for their problems than for their talent, when she is a very talented woman. But as others have said, some people don't want help and some people can't be helped, I'm not sure which of those two she is but I disagree with Eoin (I think it was) who said he hopes the press leave her alone - I think that might send her into an even worse frame of mind if she thinks everyone's forgotten all about her, depends on her perception of her own image I guess. She's tragic and I think she needs to be forced to go away for a very, very long time.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13880593

The ex-husband of singer Amy Winehouse has been jailed for 32 months for carrying out a burglary "while in the grip of heroin addiction".

Blake Fielder-Civil and Christopher Sylvester, both 29, raided the home of Paul Maplesden in Rawdon, Leeds.

The two men made off with electrical items, including an Xbox and DVD player, and jewellery worth Ł4,000.

Fielder-Civil has a conviction for causing grievous bodily harm and one for a drug offence in another country.

'Professional burglary'

Fielder-Civil, of Sleaford, Lincolnshire, and Sylvester, of Roundhay Park in Leeds, were equipped with a hammer, black tape, balaclavas and gloves when they raided Mr Maplesden's family home.

A fake handgun was found under the passenger seat of the car the two men had driven to the scene of the burglary but was not used in the daytime raid, Leeds Crown Court was told.

The fake firearm and haul of stolen goods were recovered after a policeman, who was on duty nearby, noticed the two men acting suspiciously and went to investigate, the court heard.

Mr Maplesden had left to go to work and his children were at school when the raid took place.

The items were stashed in the boot of the car and were recovered and returned to the homeowner.

Both men admitted possessing an imitation gun and burgling a dwelling.

Judge Scott Wolstenholme said the offences were "very serious", adding that they went equipped for a "serious, professional burglary".

Jailing them both, he said: "This case illustrates the depth people will sink when in the grip of heroin addiction.

"It is no comfort to people who are preyed on by drug addicts that the people preying on them are drug addicts."

Black tape

He said he accepted the fake weapon was not taken on the raid but remained in the vehicle and had been acquired by Sylvester to protect himself from drug dealers who had attacked him in the past.

Fielder-Civil mouthed "thank you" to the judge as he was sentenced.

Prosecuting, Alisha Kaye said: "A police officer saw the defendants walking up the road, he became suspicious and saw the two men disappear but reappeared in the car parked nearby. The defendants were sat in the car."

She added: "Mr Maplesden returned home to find his property had been burgled that teatime."

She said black tape had been used to alter the number plate on the vehicle.

Sylvester has 31 previous convictions, including offences involving drugs, violence and burglary.

Fielder-Civil, a former music video assistant, married Winehouse in May 2007 but the couple divorced in 2009.

I guess that won't please Amy .....

[cub]

I feel bad about my rather harsh comments on this thread. But I do stand by what I said at the time - people were getting bored of the constant reports about her recovery/decline/recovery/decline. I blame the media.

[Livia]

I'm sure eveyone feels justified in what they've said; smug, even. You know... how she chose to be like that, how she could have helped herself but didn't... It's very easy to set yourself up as judge and jury when you know nothing about her, her history or her habit. It's also easy to make assumptions from the security of the moral high ground. Of course, no one here has ever moved in her circles or has any conception of what it must be like to be young and famous. How many talented, creative people over the years have died through drink and drugs? Addiction isn't a new thing. If it was so easy for everyone to steer clear, why is there still a problem? Unless it goes deeper than that; unless the answer isn't as simple as "just say no", because if it was, there would be no addicts, no lives destroyed by drink and drugs.

The Arts is littered with addicts, many of which have given us some of the best art, literature, music etc. that we have. But they did it to themselves, right? No sympathy.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Zee

She's tragic and I think she needs to be forced to go away for a very, very long time.

ooh

[Z]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

ooh

Haha, awkward. I didn't mean to the point of death, aah!

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Stu

To be fair she had the first critically acclaimed, high selling album and then the second ... critically acclaimed, high selling album. The debut and the breakthrough.

I'd hardly call her recording career inconsistent. It obviously stopped dead though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This thread is how most people felt prior to her death and now its "omg she was a leg end"

death is a great healer