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Old 01-08-2011, 10:10 AM #1
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I don't see it's of public interest, ah the cause of Amy's death is going to have a direct effect on the Country or perhaps even the world so we all need to know this information, it's of national importance. No it only serves to make her family suffer, and attempt to dirty her memory. As for icons, myths, legends, well that's up to any individual as to what her music and place in the industry meant, that's not up for negotiation
That's the thing though. Whilst there is no need for the public to be informed of the ins and outs - because Amy led such a public life, and in the way that she did over the past years (for it has been that, and not her music/record sales that have kept her in the public eye) - that naturally leads to public interest -whether rightly so or not.

It is the very way in which she - and her father with his 'tv show' and riding on her coat tails, lent themselves to being in the spotlight - that has contributed in no small way in the interest now.

Of course I agree, that it is entirely personal matter as to whether she is regarded as an icon/legend etc: just as it is a personal matter as to whether she is regarded otherwise - and discussion shouldn't be stifled because not all opinions marry up.

If anything, as sad as this is for her parents and those who knew her personally - the one good thing (if it could ever be called that) - is Mitch's idea (reportedly - in case I'm accused of wild allegations!) of using monies from a poss 3rd album of unpublished songs to fund an addictions/rehab centre or suchlike. and in that case, the publicity surrounding her death will aid promotion of such a worthwhile cause.
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That's the thing though. Whilst there is no need for the public to be informed of the ins and outs - because Amy led such a public life, and in the way that she did over the past years (for it has been that, and not her music/record sales that have kept her in the public eye) - that naturally leads to public interest -whether rightly so or not.
Exactly, when was the "public" NOT interested in the sudden deaths of high profile "celebrities" .....
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Exactly, when was the "public" NOT interested in the sudden deaths of high profile "celebrities" .....
Not quite sure why you've put "celebrities" in inverted commas. I think it's fair to say that Amy was more than a celebrity - let's be fair here Omah.
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Not quite sure why you've put "celebrities" in inverted commas. I think it's fair to say that Amy was more than a celebrity - let's be fair here Omah.
I used inverted commas to generalise - "celebrities" may include Elvis to Amy, Princess Diana to Jade Goody, James Dean to River Phoenix, etc, etc, etc .....

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I used inverted commas to generalise - "celebrities" may include Elvis to Amy, Princess Diana to Jade Goody, James Dean to River Phoenix, etc, etc, etc .....

Elvis was far more than a celebrity and it's absurd for you to use that as comparison.

Princess Diana was part of the Royal Family - a whole different ball game. Not a known drugs user or heavy drinker as far as I recall.

James Dean was reknown in the acting world.

I don't think you are comparing on any favourable (or fair) level Omah. TBH, I'm starting to dislike the manner in which you are trying to turn this thread: from a discussion thread into a 'tit for tat' one. It comes across (imo) as you doing more gloating than discussing. I did agree with your comments regarding the 'view count' but given the posts you are putting up since that point, as I say, I'm not entirely convinced it is discussion you want.

Sorry Omah, you may not be gloating - all I am saying is that is the way I am seeing how your posts may be coming across.
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Elvis was far more than a celebrity and it's absurd for you to use that as comparison.

Princess Diana was part of the Royal Family - a whole different ball game. Not a known drugs user or heavy drinker as far as I recall.

James Dean was reknown in the acting world.

I don't think you are comparing on any favourable (or fair) level Omah. TBH, I'm starting to dislike the manner in which you are trying to turn this thread: from a discussion thread into a 'tit for tat' one. It comes across (imo) as you doing more gloating than discussing. I did agree with your comments regarding the 'view count' but given the posts you are putting up since that point, as I say, I'm not entirely convinced it is discussion you want.

Sorry Omah, you may not be gloating - all I am saying is that is the way I am seeing how your posts may be coming across.
It seems to ME that you are being personal, judgemental and patronising ..... tut, tut .....

I note that YOUR post count on this thread is higher than mine, in fact, highest, of all ..... and, given that most of my posts are links and yours are opinions, you are coming across as a bit of a bully .....

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It seems to me that you are being personal, judgemental and patronising ..... tut, tut .....
No. I'm being very honest Omah. It seems you are more interested in putting up newspaper articles than actully debating. That doesn't require me to be personal, judgmental or patronising - I said that it comes across as you gloating. I didn't say you were - it is however, how it appears to come across to me. That's my opinion on your posts of late
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It seems to ME that you are being personal, judgemental and patronising ..... tut, tut .....

I note that YOUR post count on this thread is higher than mine, in fact, highest, of all ..... and, given that most of my posts are links and yours are opinions, you are coming across as a bit of a bully .....

. I've contributed plenty to this thread - by way of discussion - not just chucking up newspaper articles. That's not bulllying either - that's a fact.

Yeah..bullies tend to say things like this: Get a grip Omah

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Exactly, when was the "public" NOT interested in the sudden deaths of high profile "celebrities" .....
I was very interested and stunned to hear of Amy's death, its all the stupid sh*** that inevitably follows that is pointless and this obsession of scandal and gossip. And tbh it wouldn't matter if she were Mother Teresa, bad stuff would inferred because people need to feed their lives with the knowledge that the rich, famous etc are all suffering disfunctional wrecks, it makes them feel better
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I was very interested and stunned to hear of Amy's death, its all the stupid sh*** that inevitably follows that is pointless and this obsession of scandal and gossip. And tbh it wouldn't matter if she were Mother Teresa, bad stuff would inferred because people need to feed their lives with the knowledge that the rich, famous etc are all suffering disfunctional wrecks, it makes them feel better
Not all rich and famous all suffereing disfunctional wrecks.

Amy however, was. No matter how hard that is to digest. It is true.
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Pyramid I respect your viewpoint and reasons for it, although it is not the same is mine. You do however, always analise from facts and I respect that. I'm going to bow out of this thread, simply for the reason as Omah say's it has been more active than Amy's tribute thread, therefore my opinions only add to the negativity over Amy's death. If I post, it will be on the tribute thread
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Pyramid I respect your viewpoint and reasons for it, although it is not the same is mine. You do however, always analise from facts and I respect that. I'm going to bow out of this thread, simply for the reason as Omah say's it has been more active than Amy's tribute thread, therefore my opinions only add to the negativity over Amy's death. If I post, it will be on the tribute thread
Likewise: I have nothing but respect for you and for your posts - here and elsewhere. I understand where you are coming from and I understand why. It's one of those subjects that people feel passionately about and it's not the easiest on the heart or soul - either way.
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I was very interested and stunned to hear of Amy's death, its all the stupid sh*** that inevitably follows that is pointless and this obsession of scandal and gossip. And tbh it wouldn't matter if she were Mother Teresa, bad stuff would inferred because people need to feed their lives with the knowledge that the rich, famous etc are all suffering disfunctional wrecks, it makes them feel better
Indeed, many do .....
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I was very interested and stunned to hear of Amy's death, its all the stupid sh*** that inevitably follows that is pointless and this obsession of scandal and gossip. And tbh it wouldn't matter if she were Mother Teresa, bad stuff would inferred because people need to feed their lives with the knowledge that the rich, famous etc are all suffering disfunctional wrecks, it makes them feel better
that is exactly what AW was

so your point is kind of whack
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That's the thing though. Whilst there is no need for the public to be informed of the ins and outs - because Amy led such a public life, and in the way that she did over the past years (for it has been that, and not her music/record sales that have kept her in the public eye) - that naturally leads to public interest -whether rightly so or not.

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If anything, as sad as this is for her parents and those who knew her personally - the one good thing (if it could ever be called that) - is Mitch's idea (reportedly - in case I'm accused of wild allegations!) of using monies from a poss 3rd album of unpublished songs to fund an addictions/rehab centre or suchlike. and in that case, the publicity surrounding her death will aid promotion of such a worthwhile cause.
I have had no respect for her father in the past, however he now as a lifetime to reflect over his actions and to whether this contributed or not to his daughters destructive lifestyle. As parents we will always find a way to blame everything on ourselves what we should/shouldn't/could have done, and I am sure this will haunt him forever. As to Amy's lifestyle, well whatever to blame, she has paid the ultimate price, with that the public/press should draw a line under the negative aspect and as you say concentrate on the positive of possibly helping other young people going the same direction. Like Jade Goddy's illness and death did for other females awareness. There is every point in drawing from the positive and none in drawing from the negative.
The public's obsession with dirt and scandal, whether true or not, I don't think they really care, is why the press stoop so low to gain their stories. So there's really no point in them then complaining that its not ethical
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I have had no respect for her father in the past, however he now as a lifetime to reflect over his actions and to whether this contributed or not to his daughters destructive lifestyle. As parents we will always find a way to blame everything on ourselves what we should/shouldn't/could have done, and I am sure this will haunt him forever. As to Amy's lifestyle, well whatever to blame, she has paid the ultimate price, with that the public/press should draw a line under the negative aspect and as you say concentrate on the positive of possibly helping other young people going the same direction. Like Jade Goddy's illness and death did for other females awareness. There is every point in drawing from the positive and none in drawing from the negative.
The public's obsession with dirt and scandal, whether true or not, I don't think they really care, is why the press stoop so low to gain their stories. So there's really no point in them then complaining that its not ethical
The point of the matter is: 27 year old women don't tend to drop dead suddenly.

The manner in which Amy completely and utterly abused her body in recent years will no doubt have been a contributory factor - given her own health conditions (emphesyma).

with respect to the media: it came in very handy did it not when she was on her way up, and Mitch certainly used it to his advantage. people can't have their cake and eat it. They courted publicity, this is the downside of it: unsavoury as it is.

What good can come out of it? As a very sorry but harsh lesson to everyone who thinks that an overload of drugs and drink are 'cool' . If ever there was a lesson to be learned: this is it.

27 remember. We will never know but I'm pretty sure if she'd led a less drug and drink fuelled life in the past few years: she'd still be alive. That's my reckoning.

If this type of death / story stops one person from entering the type of lifestyle that Amy led latterly - far as I am concerned, that's one life saved and that more justifies.
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