[Livia]

Originally Posted by rhino

i'm not phased by the colour, but the size......is that a child's hand?

lol...

[lostalex]

Circumcision does have some medical benefits. I know 2 separate guys that had to have circumcision in their teenage years, and circumcision is much more traumatic when yur older than it is as a baby.

It should be a choice for the parents, it should not be a choice for the government.

People who claim it is "mutilation" or compare it to female gentital mutilation in africa, are extremists.

Circumcised guys are not mutilated at all. It is offensive to say that a circumcised penis is mutilated.

It's like the animal rights extremists that say you are a MURDERER if you eat a hamburger. These people are out of their minds, and exaggerate to the point of making themselves sound ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Circumcision does have some medical benefits. I know 2 separate guys that had to have circumcision in their teenage years, and circumcision is much more traumatic when yur older than it is as a baby.

It should be a choice for the parents, it should not be a choice for the government.

People who claim it is "mutilation" or compare it to female gentital mutilation in africa, are extremists.

Circumcised guys are not mutilated at all. It is offensive to say that a circumcised penis is mutilated.

It's like the animal rights extremists that say you are a MURDERER if you eat a hamburger. These people are out of their minds, and exaggerate to the point of making themselves sound ridiculous.

It is mutilation. Chopping off a body part that is there for a reason for no other reason than because its what you do if you are a Jew is barbaric.

It has no place in modern society.

Can you imagine suggesting it if the Jews had not started the silly tradition?

People would think you were both mad and barbaric.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is mutilation. Chopping off a body part that is there for a reason for no other reason than because its what you do if you are a Jew is barbaric.

It has no place in modern society.

Can you imagine suggesting it if the Jews had not started the silly tradition?

People would think you were both mad and barbaric.

COmplete and utter CRAP. There is a big difference between getting a piercing in yur nose, and having yur nose chopped off. SOme wacko's might say just getting a piercing in yur nose is "mutilation". Male circumcision when done professionally is like getting your nose pierced. Real Genital Mutilation is like having your nose cut off. Male circumcision is NOT mutilation. African female Circumcision IS mutilation.

There is a HUGE difference. And the more you try to use the extremist language of "mutilation" the more you hurt your own cause.

I'm circumcised, and i can assure you i am NOT "mutilated".

Maybe if you stopped shrieking and using extremist language, you'd have more people listen to you.

You have some serious nerve to try and tell me about MY own body, srsly. How dare you.

[joeysteele]

I voted no,they should not be banned.

I think it's something that needs to be left to the medical profession and I think we would tread a hard road if attempts to ban it for religious purposes were also tried.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

COmplete and utter CRAP. There is a big difference between getting a piercing in yur nose, and having yur nose chopped off. SOme wacko's might say just getting a piercing in yur nose is "mutilation". Male circumcision when done professionally is like getting your nose pierced. Real Genital Mutilation is like having your nose cut off. Male circumcision is NOT mutilation. African female Circumcision IS mutilation.

There is a HUGE difference. And the more you try to use the extremist language of "mutilation" the more you hurt your own cause.

I'm circumcised, and i can assure you i am NOT "mutilated".

Maybe if you stopped shrieking and using extremist language, you'd have more people listen to you.

You have some serious nerve to try and tell me about MY own body, srsly. How dare you.

The skin on the end of your penis has been removed without your consent due to a sky fairy tale and you are defending it?

It is both mutilation and child abuse. Mutilation is not extremist it is the act of
physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body.

It is all of the above. Can you explain to the forum why your foreskin was chopped off?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I voted no,they should not be banned.

I think it's something that needs to be left to the medical profession and I think we would tread a hard road if attempts to ban it for religious purposes were also tried.

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The skin on the end of your penis has been removed without your consent due to a sky fairy tale and you are defending it?

It is both mutilation and child abuse. Mutilation is not extremist it is the act of
physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body.

It is all of the above. Can you explain to the forum why your foreskin was chopped off?

Tradition. Can you explain to the forum why you have pierced ears, or any tattoos? or perhaps if yur muslim, why you choose to wear hijab. Have yu ever dyed your hair? or worn high heel shoes?

You do these things because of culture and tradition.

There are actually children being REALLY abused in this world. For you to focus on this issue compared to actual HORRORS children suffer aropund the world, makes you seem petty and unintelligent.

This whole circumciscion thing is a populist issue, no doubt. Europeans feel threraqtened by American movies and culture which ridicule uncut guys, but hey, swallow yur pride, and focus on REAL child abuse.

srsly. yur making yurself sound as crazy as PETA people.

I'm circumsized, i was not traumatized by it, and i was not mutilated by it.

I speak from first hand experience. I reallty don't give a flying crap what you think, cause yur telling me that i'm a victim, and i'm telling you FLAT OUT, LISTEN UP

I Am NOT A VICTIM. did you hear me? I'm circumcized, are you? so maybe i know a bit more than you do about it.

FFS. Are you going to bother to listen? or are you too busy congratulating yourself on your moral crusade?

and for you to call me mutilated is incredibly offensive. do you go around calling people cripples and ****zes too? who the EFFF are you?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

No it isn't there is a condition believed to be caused by Diabetes,that makes for very painful foreskin and problems in moving it.

It is then sometimes that only circumcision treats that problem done at urology depts in hospitals.
There can be lots of health matters relating to circumcision being done in the end,look up balanitis, I think it's called.

(I have just seen that this thread is talking about Baby's though,if it's Jewish custom to do so and the parents agree,I don't feel I have any right to say otherwise.
My point remains valid, circumcision is an option though for foreskin problems that cannot be cured by other means like creams and antibiotics).

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

Just for the record i'm not Jewish, but i think based on this statement from you, we all now know where yur real issues lie. You use this as your excuse to be anti-semetic. I'm sure you also have some strong opinions on the right of Israel to be a sovereign jewish state, am i right?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Just for the record i'm not Jewish, but i think based on this statement from you, we all now know where yur real issues lie. You use this as your excuse to be anti-semetic. I'm sure you also have some strong opinions on the right of Israel to be a sovereign jewish state, am i right?

I dislike all religions not just the silly jewish one.

Can you explain why your parents mutilated you as a child. What is the reason?

[Sam:)]

The point I was trying to make is that it also said on that C4 sex show that there is no medical benifits! If there is no medical benefits does this not make it a COSMETIC PROCEDURE. I mean some people have to get it done for medical reasons but why should a baby be subject to such a pointless procedure.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dislike all religions not just the silly jewish one.

Can you explain why your parents mutilated you as a child. What is the reason?

#1. My parents don't owe an explaination to you


#2. I don't owe an explaination to you.

I've dtold you how i feel, as a person who has FIRST hand experience with this. I don't need to explain it further, i didn't need to explain it to begin with.

The fact is, it's absolutely NONE of your business. You talk as if you have been damaged in some way. Have you ben damaged? if not, then keep yur ignorant (yes, if you are not cut, then yu are ignorant) opinion to yourself.

As a person who has been circumcised i can assure you, it is not mutilation, it is not damaging, it is not wrong.

But i guess you don't want to hear that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

#1. My parents don't owe an explaination to you


#2. I don't owe an explaination to you.

I've dtold you how i feel, as a person who has FIRST hand experience with this. I don't need to explain it further, i didn't need to explain it to begin with.

The fact is, it's absolutely NONE of your business. You talk as if you have been damaged in some way. Have you ben damaged? if not, then keep yur ignorant (yes, if you are not cut, then yu are ignorant) opinion to yourself.

As a person who has been circumcised i can assure you, it is not mutilation, it is not damaging, it is not wrong.

But i guess you don't want to hear that.

So you dont know why. brilliant.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So you dont know why. brilliant.

...remind me again why I or anyone else owes ANY KIND OF EXPLANATION TO YOU!???

you don't listen. you are a truly ignorant person. Every person who has ever received money in exchange for trying to educate you should be ashamed of themselves. They failed miserably.

[CharlieO]

There are benefits to circumcision. (would have copied and pasted from the website but it wouldn't let me)

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

There are benefits to circumcision. (would have copied and pasted from the website but it wouldn't let me)

1.The risk of getting a urinary tract infection is decreased because the urethra is protected by the foreskin,the foreskins main purpose is to protect the head and produce oils.

2.There is no cancer risk from being circumcised.

3.There is no increase in the chance of getting an STD from unprotected sex!

4.The penis looks practically the same when your erect and that's when the girls see it.

Yes up to 10% may need to be circumcised for medical reasons but about 6 in 100 people in the UK have appendicitis sometime in their life requiring the need for there appendix to be removed! Why don't we remove the appendix at birth.

[CharlieO]

Yes but its far easier for a persons ego to go to the doctor and get you appendix out than having the courage for a young teenager to get their knob out in front of a doctor or tell their parents they have a problem down there.

But I don't see why this is even a debate. Some people get it some people don't. Its not like it scars the baby emotionally so I don't see the problem. And not having it is fine as well. Its just a parental choice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Yes but its far easier for a persons ego to go to the doctor and get you appendix out than having the courage for a young teenager to get their knob out in front of a doctor or tell their parents they have a problem down there.

But I don't see why this is even a debate. Some people get it some people don't. Its not like it scars the baby emotionally so I don't see the problem. And not having it is fine as well. Its just a parental choice.

As far as i am aware no one in their right mind would do this to a child unless it was medically necessary (unusual) or you are a jew.

I have never heard of a parent do it for any other reason

[lostalex]

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

...remind me again why I or anyone else owes ANY KIND OF EXPLANATION TO YOU!???

you don't listen. you are a truly ignorant person. Every person who has ever received money in exchange for trying to educate you should be ashamed of themselves. They failed miserably.

Its a forum

we are discussing circumcision

you are taking part and posting opinions


Its not like I have just rung your doorbell and started asking you questions.

(and btw, when you start with the personal attacks, even lame ones, it kind of shows the forum that you cant defend your position...)

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

As far as i am aware no one in their right mind would do this to a child unless it was medically necessary (unusual) or you are a jew.

I have never heard of a parent do it for any other reason

Lots of Americans have it done for non-medical/religious reasons. There is no imminent problem with having it done or not having it done so I really don't see the problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.

oh dear

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Lots of Americans have it done for non-medical/religious reasons. There is no imminent problem with having it done or not having it done so I really don't see the problem.

Lots? how many and and what age?

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.

I'm not targeting Jews or Americans, I'm not talking about banning it completely, I'm just saying it does not make sense to subject a baby to such an unneceseray surgery. That and its the child's body and it is the child who has to live with it so should it not be the child's choice.