[Omah]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Basically, you have no argument.

Back at'cha .....

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Omah

Back at'cha .....

I've stated my reasons, shown you the facts. If you can't come back with your own and type something more substantial than a sentence or two, maybe I shouldn't have bothered in the first place.

This series is getting a lot of love, and you don't need to look far to see it. But if you'd rather moan about it, feel free, not my time you're wasting.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

I've stated my reasons, shown you the facts.

What "facts" ?

FACT : Last Saturday, less than 1m viewers watched "new" BB

PREDICTION : Last night, only 700m viewers watched "new" BB

CONCLUSION : The "majority" of viewers couldn't care less about "new" BB

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Omah

What "facts" ?

FACT : Last Saturday, less than 1m viewers watched "new" BB

PREDICTION : Last night, only 700m viewers watched "new" BB

CONCLUSION : The "majority" of viewers couldn't care less about "new" BB

Yes, because all of those people who couldn't be bothered to give it a chance know exactly how good this series is, despite not watching any of it in the first place.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

This series is getting a lot of love, and you don't need to look far to see it.

"a lot of love" - nope, the "love" has dropped right off and declining audiences (fact) substantiate that :

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1316618828004A

New low for Big Brother ratings

Big Brother has hit a new ratings low - dipping below a million viewers for the first time ever.

The Channel 5 show recorded an average of 900,000 viewers for an hour-long edition - the smallest audience for the nightly round-ups of the programme since it launched in 2000.

The smallest audience for the show during its 11 series on Channel 4 days was 1.5 million in 2009.

The latest run launched on C5 less than a fortnight ago pulling in three million for its opening night, which settled to around 1.4 million for several shows.

But it dropped to its lowest level yet on Saturday night, the night following the first eviction which saw contestant Tashie Jackson bow out.

A spokeswoman for Channel 5 did not wish to comment on the viewing figures.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Yes, because all of those people who couldn't be bothered to give it a chance know exactly how good this series is, despite not watching any of it in the first place.

"Basically, you have no argument."

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Omah

"a lot of love" - nope, the "love" has dropped right off and declining audiences (fact) substantiate that :

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1316618828004A

You're obsessed with viewing figures. Yes, they're important, especially to channel 5. But as I've said many times, they don't represent the quality of this series.

By that logic, X Factor is one of the greatest TV shows in the last two decades in terms of quality.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Omah

"Basically, you have no argument."

You just quoted my argument

It's been fun, Omah, but I'm off to bed.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

You're obsessed with viewing figures.

Erm, that's the thread topic .....

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Yes, they're important, especially to channel 5. But as I've said many times, they don't represent the quality of this series.

I never said they did - YOU persist in making those unsubstantiated assertions - what the declining figures represent is OTHER peoples opinion of the series not YOURS .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

You just quoted my argument

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

An argument is an attempt to persuade someone of something, by giving reasons or evidence for accepting a particular conclusion

BIB - something you singularly failed to do .....

[Kazakh]

Live feeds are not essential, interesting HMs are. As to whether this is the "worst ever", is it any different from the last few years?

[Visage]

People's viewing habits are changing.

Some people view shows online some on catch-up and some people view shows through sky+

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Visage

People's viewing habits are changing.

Some people view shows online some on catch-up and some people view shows through sky+

All of which are taken into account for the ratings.
Its a very poor series.
People keep saying it hasnt been given a chance i disagree people are simply switching off the ratings speak for themselves.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by bobnot

All of which are taken into account for the ratings.
Its a very poor series.
People keep saying it hasnt been given a chance i disagree people are simply switching off the ratings speak for themselves.

Exactly - viewers are voting with their RC's .....

[Jake.]

They havent been taken into account yet :/ once an episode is aired, the official figures are released 2 weeks later.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by JH95

They havent been taken into account yet :/ once an episode is aired, the official figures are released 2 weeks later.

So are you saying that the ratings havent fallen because its crap?.
Whether you look at overnights or officials its all relative it wont change the audience share.
The fact is people have turned off because they dont like what C5 have done it is ruined live with it! im hanging in and still putting up with it and that will account for a lot of its audience as well long term fans that arent happy but are trying to stick with it.

[Raven]

The ratings speak for themselves.... from the people who started watching, over a third haven't seen anything interesting enough to keep watching. Crud about the figures not reflecting the quality is blinkered and denying the reality that dispite the person who said that maybe enjoying it, most are not else the figures would be at least staying the same if not gradulaly growing with people finding it interesting enough to stick with.

[Jake.]

In MY OPINION, this is the best Big Brother in years, sure the ratings are crap for Big Brother but when you look at the rest of Channel 5's ratings then its not too bad

[Visage]

Originally Posted by bobnot

All of which are taken into account for the ratings.
Its a very poor series.
People keep saying it hasnt been given a chance i disagree people are simply switching off the ratings speak for themselves.

So how do you explain why shows like Corrie and Eastenders have dropped from 19 million viewers to 8 million in the last couple of decades ?

Didn't the BBC cancel Eldorado because it was only pulling 10 million viewers?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Visage

So how do you explain why shows like Corrie and Eastenders have dropped from 19 million viewers to 8 million in the last couple of decades ?

Didn't the BBC cancel Eldorado because it was only pulling 10 million viewers?

What in the living hell have audience figures from 20 years ago got to do with the price of fish?
The truth is nearly 80% of the audience have vanished in just over a month.
(cbb premiered with 5.1 million)
P.S. bb's audience share will suffer further in the officials due to their being a lack of +1 so let go of that little hope.

Name another show that has flopped so badly to lose nearly 80% of its audience in such a short time.

Im done with this thread the facts speak for themselves burying your head in the sand doesnt help anyone especially not c5 or bb.


This seems relevant

[starry]

Probably the worst set of HMs since the 8th series. Belo and Samanda would have fitted perfectly into this lot. As the 8th series showed most people want to watch HMs who they can feel at least some affinity with rather than just laugh at. CH5 have gone backwards to a failed approach.

[Visage]

Just to explain a little further where my post was coming from. I am no expert on viewing figures, I really don't understand how viewers are calculated by surveys. I'm going by experience as I was once asked to take part in this survey.

My original post was that I believe people's viewing habits have changed over the years. Before technology such as on-line viewing and Sky+ was available, I assumed most people watched shows when they originally aired. I know I did and most of my family and friends did.

I have asked if online, catch-up and Sky + were included in the ratings and on many occasions I was informed they were not included.

Originally Posted by bobnot

What in the living hell have audience figures from 20 years ago got to do with the price of fish?

Living hell..?
Price of fish..?

While that statement might make you feel better I was genuinely asking a question over how (before Sky+ etc) the ratings were around the 19 million mark. I thought (or was hoping) you might have had another explanation for this decline.

Originally Posted by bobnot

The truth is nearly 80% of the audience have vanished in just over a month.
(cbb premiered with 5.1 million)

That's an interesting comment, do you have a link where I could view these statistics. Again I lack knowledge on this or where to begin looking, so a link would prove useful.

Originally Posted by bobnot

P.S. bb's audience share will suffer further in the officials due to their being a lack of +1 so let go of that little hope.

What is this +1 you speak of, is it the channel plus one hour ? If so was this available for the first week of BB if not, how will it suffer without it ?

Originally Posted by bobnot

Name another show that has flopped so badly to lose nearly 80% of its audience in such a short time.

I can't I was basing my original post on what I had seen over the last couple of decades.

Originally Posted by bobnot

Im done with this thread the facts speak for themselves burying your head in the sand doesnt help anyone especially not c5 or bb.

That's a shame I was hoping you may have educated me more on the subject.

Originally Posted by bobnot

This seems relevant

To who ? Are you implying I'm burying my head in the sand over my actual knowledge on the topic ? Because I'm far from doing that, where would that get me ?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jay_Roberts441

WORST EVER SERIES = CRAP RATINGS Enough Said!!!!!

The only thing that will rescue BB now is LIVE FEED!!!!!!!!!!!

IMO this is FAR from the worst ever series.

Infact I would probably go as far to say its definitely in the top 5 for me.

(And before anyone tries to make out my opinion is wrong by throwing ratings and statistics at me...I really do not give a s**t )

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Visage

I have asked if online, catch-up and Sky + were included in the ratings and on many occasions I was informed they were not included.

http://www.barb.co.uk/about/faq?_s=4

What happens if you playback programmes from PVRs like Sky+? Is this included?

Yes, non-live viewing from PVRs like Sky+ and other recording devices such as DVDRs are measured and included in the viewing figures as timeshift viewing. If a programme has been viewed on the same day as the original broadcast the viewing will be included in the overnight files as VOSDAL data (see ‘What is VOSDAL data?’), otherwise, if it has been viewed in the 7 days after the original broadcast it will be included in the consolidated data.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.barb.co.uk/about/faq?_s=4

Cheers.