[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by jyunga

You guys are pathetic lol. Maybe it's cause they've made up and they were having a decent conversation and Jay was trying to be a nice guy (cause he is a nice guy in general). Why does every conversation have to be serious game play. Come on.

If Jay is such as nice guy why did he

1. Lie about what he said about Harry to deliberately prevent him getting letter
2. Not tell Heaven about Rebeckah's involvement in choc gate
3. Lie about putting food dye in Harry's clothes
4. Try and get Aaron to laugh at his racist joke so Aaron would get some blame
5. Pretend that Aaron caused the divisions in the house when it was HE who created the Wolfpack (not even Anton did)
6. Cry when Mark walked despite the fact he nominated him because he was with rival Aaron

[ibkaz]

Kind of a difficult one. They never spoke much to each other before, Aaron blanked Jay over the 'wheelchair' thing and made it obvious that he wanted nowt to do with him from then on. Jay no longer has his wolfpack, and Aaron is I guess unable to confide in Faye his at the moment. Seems jay has initiated this conversation of support.

Jay could get brownie points from this, however as a 'game 'he would benefit if Aaron did walk. so why give advice?

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by ibkaz

Kind of a difficult one. They never spoke much to each other before, Aaron blanked Jay over the 'wheelchair' thing and made it obvious that he wanted nowt to do with him from then on. Jay no longer has his wolfpack, and Aaron is I guess unable to confide in Faye his at the moment. Seems jay has initiated this conversation of support.

Jay could get brownie points from this, however as a 'game 'he would benefit if Aaron did walk. so why give advice?

Because Aaron walking really is irrelevant to Jay's revised plan right now. Jay's less popular than 2 week Jem and Faye so he needs to boost his popularity and standing with the public before he can tackle Fay let alone Aaron Jay realises that despite the cheers from tweenie girls he needs to broaden his appeal. Being seen to be supportive to a rival will get him the 'OHHH JAY'S so sweet' support. But I'll know he's really a vile to*sser.

[jyunga]

Wait... so being a nice is black and white? you are either nice 100% of the time or you aren't nice? Anyways, I love challenges to i'd try to answer your question!

[*]Lie about what he said about Harry to deliberately prevent him getting letter
// Did he flat out say "I lied so harry wouldn't get his letter"? If so point me to the episode cause i'd love to see that. Very mean if so.
[*]Not tell Heaven about Rebeckah's involvement in choc gate
//He was trying to be loyal to rebeckah and was put on the spot in front of rebeckah? Not a good example of not being a nice guy.
[*]Lie about putting food dye in Harry's clothes
// cause he realized that what he thought was a joke turned into something the whole house was mad about and he didn't want to fess up like man. Nice guys can play pranks too ;P
[*]Try and get Aaron to laugh at his racist joke so Aaron would get some blame
// Comedy's are full of jokes like that. He shared it with Aaron cause he didn't understand the big deal. There's no basis for your claim he was trying to give aaron some blame.
[*]Pretend that Aaron caused the divisions in the house when it was HE who created the Wolfpack (not even Anton did)
//bad example of him not being a nice guy. Aaron "couldn't be bothered" with Jay/Anton/Aden cause of how they acted and ignored them flat out for days. It's a pretty obvious observation by Jay that Aaron was causing division in the house by acting like that. His opinion doesn't make him a bad guy.
[*]Cry when Mark walked despite the fact he nominated him because he was with rival Aaron
Crying makes him not nice? Nominated someone in a game makes him not nice?


You can be nice and still do stupid crude **** :P

[LivT]

Originally Posted by ibkaz

Kind of a difficult one. They never spoke much to each other before, Aaron blanked Jay over the 'wheelchair' thing and made it obvious that he wanted nowt to do with him from then on. Jay no longer has his wolfpack, and Aaron is I guess unable to confide in Faye his at the moment. Seems jay has initiated this conversation of support.

Jay could get brownie points from this, however as a 'game 'he would benefit if Aaron did walk. so why give advice?

It is possible that Jay has not even thought it out to that level. He would, naturally, be more concerned with how he comes across; thus, whatever happens to Aaron is of no consequence to him; at least not at this stage. Jay has, without doubt, an over-blown opinion of himself, even stating he presumed himself in the final. He still probably assumes that he can win, but is concentrating on securing his position by attempting to come across well. Far too late for that in my humble opinion.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jyunga

Wait... so being a nice is black and white? you are either nice 100% of the time or you aren't nice? Anyways, I love challenges to i'd try to answer your question!

[*]Lie about what he said about Harry to deliberately prevent him getting letter
// Did he flat out say "I lied so harry wouldn't get his letter"? If so point me to the episode cause i'd love to see that. Very mean if so.
[*]Not tell Heaven about Rebeckah's involvement in choc gate
//He was trying to be loyal to rebeckah and was put on the spot in front of rebeckah? Not a good example of not being a nice guy.
[*]Lie about putting food dye in Harry's clothes
// cause he realized that what he thought was a joke turned into something the whole house was mad about and he didn't want to fess up like man. Nice guys can play pranks too ;P
[*]Try and get Aaron to laugh at his racist joke so Aaron would get some blame
// Comedy's are full of jokes like that. He shared it with Aaron cause he didn't understand the big deal. There's no basis for your claim he was trying to give aaron some blame.
[*]Pretend that Aaron caused the divisions in the house when it was HE who created the Wolfpack (not even Anton did)
//bad example of him not being a nice guy. Aaron "couldn't be bothered" with Jay/Anton/Aden cause of how they acted and ignored them flat out for days. It's a pretty obvious observation by Jay that Aaron was causing division in the house by acting like that. His opinion doesn't make him a bad guy.
[*]Cry when Mark walked despite the fact he nominated him because he was with rival Aaron
Crying makes him not nice? Nominated someone in a game makes him not nice?


You can be nice and still do stupid crude **** :P

Yeah I think you've covered it pretty well there, a lot of those points were baseless suspicions anyway, I think that few people would think Jay was deliberately lying in the letters task to stop Harry getting his. They're all human and it's perfectly feasible that he could have forgotten what he'd said, just as Anton couldn't remember either, and just as Aaron wasn't sure if it was him who'd said "Faye was more attractive than Jem"