[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Jords

I watch the Ch4 documentary. Its awful how shes lost 4 years of her life.

Im really interested what actually took place though.

Did you mean the Channel 5 documentary or was there one on Channel 4 as well

[Ammi]

We are none the wiser as to what happened that night and I'm not sure we ever will be. The only 'fact' in the documentary is that Meredith is the victim here and I cannot imagine how difficult this is for her family..the 'details' of what happened to her that night are hard enough to bear..but to feel that there is a very real probability that the persons responsible will never be brought to justice is horrendous. My thoughts are for Meredith and her family.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Did you mean the Channel 5 documentary or was there one on Channel 4 as well

Yepp youre right

[Sticks]

This website seems to have quite a bit of evidence still against Miss Knox.

One paragraph states

Lawyers posting on PMF and TJMK and some others who don’t but talk with us are suspecting that Judge Hellman, in his blunt refusal to allow the prosecution any DNA re-testing, in his jury briefing, in his garbled announcement of the appeal verdict, and in his contradictory comments in the next several days, may have made enough legal mistakes for a 75% probability that the Supreme Court will insist on a major revisiting of the case or even a complete new appeal trial.

It seems to think that the Supreme court will definitely overturn this travesty of justice and reinstate the guilty verdicts

[Mystic Mock]

Im sorry but the evidence was enough to find her guilty imo.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Im sorry but the evidence was enough to find her guilty imo.

remind me again of the evidence....?????

there was ZERO evidence, so please, if you have evidence, give it to the italians, cause they don't have any!!!

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Italian prosecution is appealing and if they are successful, I hope the USA step up to the mark and allow this woman to be returned to Italy. If they do not, I hope every country in the world in future refuse to cooperate with the USA when it comes to extradition. It is not one rule for the USA and one rule for the rest of the world.

Why should the USA return any extradition request, when Roman Polanski, who admits to raping and drugging a small girl, is allowed to live freely in Europe with no extradition to the USA???

If you give us Roman Polanski, then maybe we can talk about Amanda Knox. Until then, you have NO room to talk about extradition.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by lostalex

remind me again of the evidence....?????

there was ZERO evidence, so please, if you have evidence, give it to the italians, cause they don't have any!!!

What about the evidence put forward by this website

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Why should the USA return any extradition request, when Roman Polanski, who admits to raping and drugging a small girl, is allowed to live freely in Europe with no extradition to the USA???

If you give us Roman Polanski, then maybe we can talk about Amanda Knox. Until then, you have NO room to talk about extradition.

Europe is not one country, if the US negotiates an extradition treaty with a country, the treaty should stand for both sides.

Having seen the way the US backed out of ratifying the US/UK Extradition treaty and still expect the UK to turn over anyone the US want, most countries wont bother listening to the US.

Just to reiterate, Amanda Knox trial - Italy Roman Polanski - France and Switzerland.

You appear to have also overlooked in the Polanski case the fact he did undergo trial and thought a bargain had been reached by the reduction of charges and probation and treatment in a clinic at the courts order. The judge then indicated to Polankski's attroney that he had changed his mind and though jail and deportation to be a more suitable punishment even though the prosecuting attorney asked for probation.

Even the prosecuting attorney stated that Polanski's treatment at the hands of a fame hungry judge was unfair. France doesnt have an extradition treaty with the US and Switzerland stated that Polanski had indeed served his original sentence.

Cant wait to read the garbage you will write in defence of the US legal system regarding extradition in rebuttal.

[Sticks]

I was surprised that given the prosecution was always planning to appeal, (and from what I read will be successful in overturning this travesty of justice), why they could not have got a judge to have Amanda detained in Italy and banned from leaving until the the Supreme court in Rome heard the case.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Europe is not one country, if the US negotiates an extradition treaty with a country, the treaty should stand for both sides.

Having seen the way the US backed out of ratifying the US/UK Extradition treaty and still expect the UK to turn over anyone the US want, most countries wont bother listening to the US.

Just to reiterate, Amanda Knox trial - Italy Roman Polanski - France and Switzerland.

You appear to have also overlooked in the Polanski case the fact he did undergo trial and thought a bargain had been reached by the reduction of charges and probation and treatment in a clinic at the courts order. The judge then indicated to Polankski's attroney that he had changed his mind and though jail and deportation to be a more suitable punishment even though the prosecuting attorney asked for probation.

Even the prosecuting attorney stated that Polanski's treatment at the hands of a fame hungry judge was unfair. France doesnt have an extradition treaty with the US and Switzerland stated that Polanski had indeed served his original sentence.

Cant wait to read the garbage you will write in defence of the US legal system regarding extradition in rebuttal.

really? drugging and rapping a child should just cary a punishment of rehab??

Sorry, but in America, when you drug and rape a child, you get jail time.

Here's a messege to all people who want to drug and rape children, don't do it in America, because we'll put you in jail!

If you want to drug and rape children, do it in Europe.

[Sticks]

Meanwhile back on topic, as the Italian prosecutors are taking this to the Supreme Court in Rome where experts are 100% certain this appeal will be overturned and the original conviction reinstated, why could they not block Amanda Knox leaving Italy?

That website I linked to earlier shows that there is plenty of other evidence to show that Amanda is guilty of murdering Meredith in a sordid sex game, just as the Italian Prosecutor said.

Just because they did not collect evidence like they do on the TV show, CSI, the biased and flawed appeal court chose to discount it and ignore the mountain of other evidence against Amanda Knox.

As for that Roman Polanski side issue, we were taught that two wrongs do not make a right, so if there is a shred of decency in the US administration and any respect for the rule of law, they will have Amanda Knox extradited back to serve her sentence.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really? drugging and rapping a child should just cary a punishment of rehab??

Sorry, but in America, when you drug and rape a child, you get jail time.

Here's a messege to all people who want to drug and rape children, don't do it in America, because we'll put you in jail!

If you want to drug and rape children, do it in Europe.

Before you get on your high horse and getting all pretentious about American Justice and good old US family values etc. I would go have a read up on the trial and the whole situation, it will save you looking like an idiot.

Ooooops tooo late for that.

Originally Posted by Sticks

Meanwhile back on topic, as the Italian prosecutors are taking this to the Supreme Court in Rome where experts are 100% certain this appeal will be overturned and the original conviction reinstated, why could they not block Amanda Knox leaving Italy?

That website I linked to earlier shows that there is plenty of other evidence to show that Amanda is guilty of murdering Meredith in a sordid sex game, just as the Italian Prosecutor said.

Just because they did not collect evidence like they do on the TV show, CSI, the biased and flawed appeal court chose to discount it and ignore the mountain of other evidence against Amanda Knox.

As for that Roman Polanski side issue, we were taught that two wrongs do not make a right, so if there is a shred of decency in the US administration and any respect for the rule of law, they will have Amanda Knox extradited back to serve her sentence.

Hopefully the Supreme Court will see sense and order at least a retrial

They couldnt block her from leaving the country because of the ruling by the appeal judge, "she was innocent" if it had of been possible for him to make a ruling whereby she could have been retrialed then he probably would have. However because of the nature of the appeal he had to deceide about the validity of certain evidence used in the trial and in its invalidation as to the likely outcome of the trial as was.

Unlikely the US will allow her to be extradited their laws and consttution dont really allow for it.

[Sticks]

Then the Italians will have to issue an international arrest warrant so that if she steps one foot out of the US we can get here.

Interestingly Seattle in Washington State is just a few hours drive of the Canadian border. If she were in Canada when the Italians demand her back, they would be more likely to comply with the rule of law.

[Bluerang1]

The main investigator was a sneak! He did the same thing with another case.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Then the Italians will have to issue an international arrest warrant so that if she steps one foot out of the US we can get here.

Interestingly Seattle in Washington State is just a few hours drive of the Canadian border. If she were in Canada when the Italians demand her back, they would be more likely to comply with the rule of law.

yur joking right? lol, you think Canada, under the ultra right leadership of Harper would go against the USA? you obviously don't know much about Canadian politics.

Yur talking about the same Canada that is the only western country that didn't repatriate it's detaine's from Guantanamo right? the same Canada that let little Omar Khadr sit in Guantanamo for 6 years, right???

lol

here, i'll do the home work for you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

You obviously know nothing about Canada.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Europe is not one country, if the US negotiates an extradition treaty with a country, the treaty should stand for both sides.

Having seen the way the US backed out of ratifying the US/UK Extradition treaty and still expect the UK to turn over anyone the US want, most countries wont bother listening to the US.

Just to reiterate, Amanda Knox trial - Italy Roman Polanski - France and Switzerland.

You appear to have also overlooked in the Polanski case the fact he did undergo trial and thought a bargain had been reached by the reduction of charges and probation and treatment in a clinic at the courts order. The judge then indicated to Polankski's attroney that he had changed his mind and though jail and deportation to be a more suitable punishment even though the prosecuting attorney asked for probation.

Even the prosecuting attorney stated that Polanski's treatment at the hands of a fame hungry judge was unfair. France doesnt have an extradition treaty with the US and Switzerland stated that Polanski had indeed served his original sentence.

Cant wait to read the garbage you will write in defence of the US legal system regarding extradition in rebuttal.

tell me how it was unfair. he drugged and rapped a child by his own admission. Tell me what YOU think is a fair punishment for drugging and RAPING a child. having sex with a CHILD that is unconcious on drugs that he gave her,. please tell me what YOU think would be a fair punishment.!

I'm curious to know.

I'd like to know what punishment you think is fair if it was your daughter who was drugged and raped.

An old man gave drugs to a child and then had sex with the child while the child was unconscious., what punishment do YOU think would be fair???

Please explain how thew US justice system is wrong for demanding he pay for that crime. Tell me what YOU think would be fair punishment.

Please tell me what is the "fair" punishment for someone who RAPES A CHILD. You tell me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

tell me how it was unfair. he drugged and rapped a child by his own admission. Tell me what YOU think is a fair punishment for drugging and RAPING a child. having sex with a CHILD that is unconcious on drugs that he gave her,. please tell me what YOU think would be a fair punishment.!

I'm curious to know.

I'd like to know what punishment you think is fair if it was your daughter who was drugged and raped.

An old man gave drugs to a child and then had sex with the child while the child was unconscious., what punishment do YOU think would be fair???

Please explain how thew US justice system is wrong for demanding he pay for that crime. Tell me what YOU think would be fair punishment.

Please tell me what is the "fair" punishment for someone who RAPES A CHILD. You tell me.

What's this got to do with the Amanda Knox case?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

tell me how it was unfair. he drugged and rapped a child by his own admission. Tell me what YOU think is a fair punishment for drugging and RAPING a child. having sex with a CHILD that is unconcious on drugs that he gave her,. please tell me what YOU think would be a fair punishment.!

I'm curious to know.

I'd like to know what punishment you think is fair if it was your daughter who was drugged and raped.

An old man gave drugs to a child and then had sex with the child while the child was unconscious., what punishment do YOU think would be fair???

Please explain how thew US justice system is wrong for demanding he pay for that crime. Tell me what YOU think would be fair punishment.

Please tell me what is the "fair" punishment for someone who RAPES A CHILD. You tell me.

I didnt say it was fair or unfair, please READ my posts properly, if you have problems with any big words ask an adult to explain them to you.

If you had read up on the Polanski case you would find out that a plea bargain had taken place with the judge involved and punishments etc already agreed upon. That was the reasoning behind the Swiss refusal to extradite.

But why let the facts get in the way of your usual "America is wonderful" rants.

Just to reiterate the point, the Amanda Knox trial and potential retrial doesnt have anything to do with the Polanksi case, there are three (thats three - pointee finger, middle finger and ringo) separate countries involved in the two different cases.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I didnt say it was fair or unfair, please READ my posts properly, if you have problems with any big words ask an adult to explain them to you.

If you had read up on the Polanski case you would find out that a plea bargain had taken place with the judge involved and punishments etc already agreed upon. That was the reasoning behind the Swiss refusal to extradite.

But why let the facts get in the way of your usual "America is wonderful" rants.

Just to reiterate the point, the Amanda Knox trial and potential retrial doesnt have anything to do with the Polanksi case, there are three (thats three - pointee finger, middle finger and ringo) separate countries involved in the two different cases.

Rreally this is about my being American? so now being American means that justice isimpossible. Has Roman Polanski ever denied drugging and raping a child?? no.

So why are you defending him??

I've asked you dozens of times now, what do you think is fair punishment for drugging and raping a child?? Why can't you answer that question??

[lostalex]

If you have evidence against Amanda Knox, then why arn't you giving it to the Italians?? There is no evidence against her.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Then the Italians will have to issue an international arrest warrant so that if she steps one foot out of the US we can get here.

Interestingly Seattle in Washington State is just a few hours drive of the Canadian border. If she were in Canada when the Italians demand her back, they would be more likely to comply with the rule of law.

lol, you think Canadians would support Italy over the US? you obvioously know nothing about the relationship between Canada and the US.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by lostalex

lol, you think Canadians would support Italy over the US? you obvioously know nothing about the relationship between Canada and the US.

And how many troops did Canada send to operation Restore Freedom in Iraq as opposed to how many we sent to Iraq?

Moving on from that foray off topic


Both Amanda and her ex are now set to receive their blood money as she has signed a book deal (See here)

I note that the DM stopped allowing comments on that story and anyone supporting this pair get red arrows.

Am still awaiting the decision of the supreme court in Rome where experts confidently predict that that sham of an appeal will overturned and the original convictions reinstated.

When that happens, as stated before, ad nauseum, we should use our special relationship with the US to make them send Amanda Knox back to Italy to serve her sentence for murdering Meredith Kercher

[Marsh.]

lostalex, yes there was evidence against her but the Italian police were too damn incompetent to make sure they got it and contaminated the crime scene.

It's like the incompetence shown during the Stephen Lawrence investigation, with evidence not being secured properly.

I may not 100% know Amanda Knox is guilty for murder but she sure as hell is not 100% innocent, she was involved one way or another it's as plain as the nose on her face. Her stories in the investigation already prove what a liar she is.

Whatever part she did play in the death of Meredith I hope she gets what she deserves eventually. Nothing more disgusting than seeing this criminal making money out of the situation.

OT - There's so many Americans who don't think about the fact there's a whole world outside the Supreme US of A so I'm not surprised they think of Europe as one of its own.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

lostalex, yes there was evidence against her but the Italian police were too damn incompetent to make sure they got it and contaminated the crime scene.

It's like the incompetence shown during the Stephen Lawrence investigation, with evidence not being secured properly.

I may not 100% know Amanda Knox is guilty for murder but she sure as hell is not 100% innocent, she was involved one way or another it's as plain as the nose on her face. Her stories in the investigation already prove what a liar she is.

Whatever part she did play in the death of Meredith I hope she gets what she deserves eventually. Nothing more disgusting than seeing this criminal making money out of the situation.

OT - There's so many Americans who don't think about the fact there's a whole world outside the Supreme US of A so I'm not surprised they think of Europe as one of its own.

what are you talking about? America treats all good looking white girls like angels? i guess tyou've never heard of CASEY ANTHONY lol.

America can smell guilty, but when there's no evidence, there's no evidence. All of America thinks Casey Anthony is guilty, but she was found not guilty, because there was no evidence. So don't act like it's just America thinking we're superior to Italy, we have cases liek this here too, but if there is no evidence, you have to follow the law. The italian prosecutors did not follow the law.

If there's not enuf evidence, then you have to set them free, that's how justice works.