[Fom]

Wether you believe it or not you should be cutting carbon emissions. Because if you don't then the ozone layer will collapse eventually and you will eventually die from radiation from the sun.
Thats talking about thousands of years of pollution though... so maybe not you but your children could be effected.

[Ellis]

Originally posted by Fom
Wether you believe it or not you should be cutting carbon emissions. Because if you don't then the ozone layer will collapse eventually and you will eventually die from radiation from the sun.
Thats talking about thousands of years of pollution though... so maybe not you but your children could be effected.

Acutally CO2 doesn't affect the ozone layer but that's for another day.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ellis

Yeah yeah, good on you. I've questioned it plenty of times, but I don't think the majority of the world's scientists would be lying. They know more that we do.

Not lying. Blind to any evidence contadicting it maybe! And there are plenty of scientists that question it but their voices rarely get heard and theyre dismissed, yet have good arguments that arent challenged. Funny that!

http://www.ycsg.yale.edu/climate/for...zenYaleMtg.pdf

"Argument based on consensus is not usual in science, for reasons
that have been summarised by writer Michael Crichton:
Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing
whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the
business of politics. Science, on the contrary,
requires only one investigator who happens to be
right, which means that he or she has results that
are verifiable by reference to the real world. In
science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant
is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in
history are great precisely because they broke
with the consensus …"

http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle...0corrected.pdf

"21. In the age of information, popular knowledge of scientific issues—particularly issues of health and the environment—is awash in a tide of misinformation, much of it presented in the "big talk" of professional scientists. Alarmist activists operating in well-funded advocacy groups have a lead role in creating this misinformation. In many cases, they manipulate public perceptions with emotive and fiercely judgmental "scientific" pronouncements, adding a tone of danger and urgency to attract media coverage. Their skill in promoting notions of scientific "fact" sidesteps the complexities of the issues involved, and is a potent influence in education, public opinion and the political process. These notions are often re-enforced by attention to peer-reviewed scientific articles that appear to support their pronouncements, regardless of whether these articles are widely endorsed by the relevant scientific community. Scientists who challenge these alarmists are rarely given priority by the media, and are often presented as "skeptics". "

http://www.publications.parliament.u.../12/12we21.htm

[Stu]

Originally posted by Chewy
Dont forget cows also poison the enviorment

Yeah but Magic Mushrooms grow on cow shit. Fair trade.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Fom
Wether you believe it or not you should be cutting carbon emissions. Because if you don't then the ozone layer will collapse eventually and you will eventually die from radiation from the sun.
Thats talking about thousands of years of pollution though... so maybe not you but your children could be effected.

Yeh I agree we should be cutting pollution. Cos its bad for us health and all the little animals and birds and wot not though not because of climate change!

[Captain.Remy]

The thing is, there are economic cycles and when there's a recession, it's always followed by a dynamic area. I mean Kondratieff showed that every 50 years, a new cycle begins so we can ask if this is the end of the one who started in 1945.

I think the recession is good for the reason I said above but also because it makes people think about the problem, it can't get any worse: look at Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel and co. They finally understood it's time to react.

But the recession is also bad of course: Unemployment, more poor people etc...
According to different economists, the first semester of 2009 will be terrible because so far, it has only affected the financial field...but now, it's time for costumers to suffer and it won't be pretty.

It should go back to normal at the end of 2009-beginning 2010 but who knows.

(I can talk about it for hours, Business is my thing lol)

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Fom

Plants and animals from the sea create carbon which gets released from the ocean into the atmosphere. As I said... it's not our doing, but it wouldn't be happening so fast if we hadn't messed the planet so much. This would of happened no matter what, but not to this extent and not this fast, that is the part where humans have messed things up. Its a bit of both.

I agree with what you said: people tend to think it's all our fault, but like in economy, Earth has cycles and this one is a hot one. We can't do anything about it and people forget that. We can do everything against it, Earth's fate will still be the same.

I may offend people there but I don't buy the recycling crap, to me people are paid to do this and I can't see what's going to change.

[Sting]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
i'm not sure but i do think we are not in the worst part of it yet i'm not affected at the moment cos thankfully food prices have started coming down

Where do you shop then? Cos everywhere we shop the food prices have gone up

[letmein]

We're not in a recession, we're at the beginnings of a global depression. It will be for a decade. So, accept it and move forward.

[Tom]

Originally posted by 30stone
Pretty much... New look is now losing jobs and marks and spencer...

though Im not feeling it coz i dont have a job... and dont pay for anything (=

Those M&S stores are under performing and have been for a bit. The credit crunch was just the final straw, although there are plans to open more

But even the stores that were "failing" still made a silly amount of profit anyway

The media are over exaggerating it. Yes its bad, but its not that bad. They're just trying to cause a moral panic

"Economy in meltdown" will sell more papers than "the pound is decreasing"

[Sod_James]

I dont think it is. We just announced out figures for Christmas and apparently it has been the most successful christmas, financially speaking, since the company started. So for me i guess my job is safe for now.

[arista]

Originally posted by Chewy
So, we know the news always try and scare us (especially with all that global warming carp)

Is the recession as bad as they are making out?

Yes it is.

And it is Worse.


New Labour are to slow to act.




We are in a Depression
now
due to Brown sellling all our Gold
and Burning Tax payers Cash.


Ch4 had a great docu
which is now on a DVD
"Niall Ferguson presents
The Ascent Of Money"



He explains it in a perfect way.
Good on Ch4.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sting

Where do you shop then? Cos everywhere we shop the food prices have gone up

I agree this food prices coming down scam is just that......Shopped yesterday and two items I regularly buy have gone up by 26% one item and 37% another item.....between December and January. Prices that come down are either low quality rubbish they can't sell or items you only purchase occasionally......

[letmein]

Iceland's government has just fallen. There goes another one.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : letmein
Iceland's government has just fallen. There goes another one.

Actually it's the first one who has fallen due to the crisis.
It was obvious Iceland couldn't resist because its economy is based on financial services. Thanks to that, Icelandic people even had the highest level of life in 2007...which is not going to happen anytime soon.

I think we can try to make a guess for the next one to fall. (I am being sarcastic)

[Scarlett.]

10 months later, what is the opinion on this now?

I kinda realise now that it could have been as bad as they made out back then in some ways, but not in the way they say it (if you get me LOL)

[Tom]

No, still not thinking its that bad. They also dump the long term unemployed figures with those who have lost their jobs to make it seem worse than it is

[Scarlett.]

I agree that they seem to use unemployment figures a lot these days, they have almost convinved me that no jobs exist xD

[WOMBAI]

Everything I have seen on the television recently has been saying that we are over the worst and in the recovery period.

I think unemployment at the moment is worst for young men - they seem to be the most affected.

But as far as I am aware - things are looking up! I certainly hope so!

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Chewy

So, we know the news always try and scare us (especially with all that global warming carp)

Global Warming is a Serious Issue,
One day we`ll all see this unless we dont do somthing about it now!

Im pleased to hear though, the Ozone Layer is now returning

But the OP should be..

"
So, we know the news always try and scare us (especially with all that Swine Flu crap)"

[Nurse57]

We are not out of the woods yet. Where the private sector has been the public sector will follow. (post, bin men, and the like) In the last year I have lost my business, house and sanity. So for me it has been bad, and I bellive things will get worse before things get better.

[Scarlett.]

So, with all this finacial crisis crap in the news these days, is it really as bad as they make out? I've heard sources saying the UK is making a fine recovery, and the only time it dips majoryly is when there is bad news coverage.

Also, looking back at this thread, I do know believe global warming is real lmao, though I do hold the opinion that the news are scaremongers in general