[Vicky.]

I think theres a massive difference between showing negative footage that actually happened. And showing other footage that happened that is twisted by the editing into being negative for a certain housemate.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

And here I was thinking you didn't know how to be funny

Well hes right though.

Going by your theory...how is Alex fave to win?

I mean, shes been pretty much edited out of the whole show until this week.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Big Brother love Aaron, the show's pretty much revolved around him this year

I believe this as well, even last night with something as simple as aaron and jays "intelligent" conversations they have in the sauna showed aaron in a far better light as Jay..

Or Aaron in the swear task, he did well it has to be said even though I find it strange how these lies he told flew of his tongue so easily(had me thinking about all the other lies he's told and managed to not break stride) But it showed Jays negativity in his moaning and angst at aaron.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think theres a massive difference between showing negative footage that actually happened. And showing other footage that happened that is twisted by the editing into being negative for a certain housemate.

Well I wasn't comparing Jay to Aaron, and besides that's happened too:

In the nominations a couple of weeks ago Jay went on for ages about not wanting to nominate because he couldn't think of anybody or any reasons, and asked to nom himself, BB edited that all out and just made him look ridiculously petty with his nominations for Tom and Jem about the food

And there's also the recent sauna conversations, they're edited to make Jay just look pretty stupid, it is funny but it's also inaccurate (edit - as parmnion's also mentioned above ^)

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well hes right though.

Going by your theory...how is Alex fave to win?

I mean, shes been pretty much edited out of the whole show until this week.

Thanks Vicky. Doesn't happen often.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You'll come around to the idea that I'm usually right soon Pyr

There's a nasty rumour that pigs can fly - I'd not believe that either if I was you.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well with the freezer incident there'd be pretty clear implications that they would like to avoid; there would have been been a lot of controversy if it had been aired, it's a production nightmare, I'd imagine they just considered the best thing to do would be to sort the situation out and draw a line under it. And we still don't even know what this "fisting" thing is, probably just a disgusting story. They did show him pissing in a pool?

Anyway the point is that plenty has been shown for Jay to be considered quite disgusting just on the HL's alone, there has also been footage showing him angry, showing him in a strop, showing him falling out with other house mates etc. etc. The Desmond owned paper have even carried a story with the headline "Fury at disgusting Jay", they further often show his crude moments on BOTS and he's often criticised on there, Emma even said she'd be "scared" of him. I'm surprised there is still people arguing the "he's the chosen one" line tbh

The freezer incident was nothing to do with a production nightmare. It had all the reasons for the plug to be pulled on the entire show.

That's how much protection Jay was given - and still remained in the house.

Despite him threatning Harry - he was still kept in the house.

Despite him throwing Aarons luggage with clothes in it, into the pool - he was kept in,.

Despite him being aggressive often (which various hmates have discussed) he was kept in the house.

Despite him pissing on other housemates, he was kept in the house.

You see the pattern here.......

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I wasn't comparing Jay to Aaron, and besides that's happened too:

In the nominations a couple of weeks ago Jay went on for ages about not wanting to nominate because he couldn't think of anybody or any reasons, and asked to nom himself, BB edited that all out and just made him look ridiculously petty with his nominations for Tom and Jem about the food

And there's also the recent sauna conversations, they're edited to make Jay just look pretty stupid, it is funny but it's also inaccurate (edit - as parmnion's also mentioned above ^)

Oh come on now. Jay is pretty stupid.

To pretend he isn't, is nothing more than sheer denial.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I wasn't comparing Jay to Aaron, and besides that's happened too:

In the nominations a couple of weeks ago Jay went on for ages about not wanting to nominate because he couldn't think of anybody or any reasons, and asked to nom himself, BB edited that all out and just made him look ridiculously petty with his nominations for Tom and Jem about the food

And there's also the recent sauna conversations, they're edited to make Jay just look pretty stupid, it is funny but it's also inaccurate (edit - as parmnion's also mentioned above ^)

I didnt mean you, I meant in general

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Has it not occured to you that if BB didn't include Aaron's negative behaviour in the main show, or talk about it on BOTS, and focused on his positive side that he would have received maybe 10% of the camera time he has and wouldn't be the HM you apparently love.

No it hasn't... Thing is about 75% of all the most interesting things which have happened this year (unless they deliberately left out more interesting events in the edit - which I doubt!) have either revolved around or included Aaron in some form. If they had decided not to show him, they wouldnt have had much footage to show, specially in those early weeks, it would just have been hours of footage of Aden rapping and crying while Anton and Jay sat around being total chauvanists.

Plus Freddie was a total nob, a funny nob who was difficult to hate, but a buffoon none the less. He is nothing like Aaron, not remotely. If anything the most similar person to Aaron from past BBs was Alex Sibley imo, except Aarons much more complex.

Originally Posted by MrWong

The only 2 to have live feed (Anton & Jay) called her boring too and Alex was the most boring according to them.

This has been quickly forgotten this whole crypt task by Aaron haters and Jay fans alike. During those days Jay & Anton insulted pretty much every HM including his beloved 'princess' calling her one of the most 'boring' HMs he looked pretty scathing when he said it as well. He insulted all of them, said how he was gonna raise hell with Anton when they went back in (that plan went well) Aaron by comparison barely put a foot wrong in that, they had to resort to using a convo that Jem had to use against him cause he didnt give them any ammo to shoot him down with - very unlike the usual edit which would have us believe hes some machiavellian mastermind manipulating the whole house

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think theres a massive difference between showing negative footage that actually happened. And showing other footage that happened that is twisted by the editing into being negative for a certain housemate.

Indeed, I think they are all victims of editing for sure, but Aaron has been BB this year and C5 have essentially decided to use him as live bait for the public, they've done everything they can to demonise him. The most recent example being the fall out from the face to face noms. When they edited out Louise admitting she was not going to vote with the group either and made her out to be a selfless martyr and him a total ****ard.

[thesheriff443]

the confusion caused on this forum is many are watching bb in aaron vision!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The freezer incident was nothing to do with a production nightmare. It had all the reasons for the plug to be pulled on the entire show.

That's how much protection Jay was given - and still remained in the house.

Despite him threatning Harry - he was still kept in the house.

Despite him throwing Aarons luggage with clothes in it, into the pool - he was kept in,.

Despite him being aggressive often (which various hmates have discussed) he was kept in the house.

Despite him pissing on other housemates, he was kept in the house.

You see the pattern here.......

Well that's exactly why it was a nightmare for them, and I don't really want to enter into a different argument now about whether he should still be in there or not

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Oh come on now. Jay is pretty stupid.

To pretend he isn't, is nothing more than sheer denial.

I'm not saying he's not stupid, but it's a fact that those sauna conversations are edited to make it look like they have nothing to talk about with Jay just saying something stupid

Like I said, it's hilarious but innaccurate

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I didnt mean you, I meant in general

Oh right, fair enough

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that's exactly why it was a nightmare for them, and I don't really want to enter into a different argument now about whether he should still be in there or not



I'm not saying he's not stupid, but it's a fact that those sauna conversations are edited to make it look like they have nothing to talk about with Jay just saying something stupid

Like I said, it's hilarious but innaccurate

Who's arguing. It's an incredibly reasonable topic for debate given all his behaviour that I listed earlier on.

The sauna incident did nothing: Jay has proven time and time again how thick he is, how stupid he is. BB and their edits don't have to do much to prove that - Jay's done that all on his own.

Jay HAS nothing to discuss with Aaron on an intellectual level: Jay as much as agreed when he said he was going to have 'deep intelligent discussions' with Aaron - and the best he could start off with was, "that Stephen Hawkins bloke thingy"....

He's out of his league, he knows it and so too do we all, BB showed him as he is -stupid.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the confusion caused on this forum is many are watching bb in aaron vision!

It's quite fab isn't it. Aaron Vision - it's the way of the future.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Who's arguing. It's an incredibly reasonable topic for debate given all his behaviour that I listed earlier on.

The sauna incident did nothing: Jay has proven time and time again how thick he is, how stupid he is. BB and their edits don't have to do much to prove that - Jay's done that all on his own.

Jay HAS nothing to discuss with Aaron on an intellectual level: Jay as much as agreed when he said he was going to have 'deep intelligent discussions' with Aaron - and the best he could start off with was, "that Stephen Hawkins bloke thingy"....

He's out of his league, he knows it and so too do we all, BB showed him as he is -stupid.

The discussion was whether he had favourable edits, not whether he should be kicked out, I'm too tired to have another debate. And that's what I mean about the sauna editing, they talked a lot more than was shown on the HL's

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The discussion was whether he had favourable edits, not whether he should be kicked out, I'm too tired to have another debate. And that's what I mean about the sauna editing, they talked a lot more than was shown on the HL's

That's correct, I am aware of what the thread is about - it's was infact about Aaron - not Jay, but ended up being about Jay.

It's unreasonable to expect a discussion to revolve around favourable edits or not without validating why edits have been favoured in respect of very clear rule breaks - because they are favouring a particular housemate.

Re the Sauna editing: there was no more to that than BB making light of what we already know: that Jay is pretty stupid.

[yay4shanghai]

Originally Posted by MrWong

They could concentrate on how quick witted he is.

"Supposed victimisation"?

He's been called a pr!ck, a scumbag, a wank*r and an abusive husband on Sh!t On The Side. The main host told a fan he should be ashamed of himself for being a fan of Aaron and on OK!TV Jeff wotshisname keeps repeating ad nauseam that he hates Aaron.

That's the gamble you take when you go on reality telly.