[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

In the same way that Scots are portrayed as skinflints.

In the same way that Irish are portrayed as drunkards.

In the same way that Welsh are portrayed as simpletons.

In the same way that Essex girls are regarded as slappers.

*none of which happens to be true btw!!*

It's a minority of a section: but it's still a stereotype - and there's nothing quite like drawing in viewers on such shows like Geordie Shores, TOWIE etc: and making out that this is what the average person is like from such places.

I agree it might be becoming more prevailant, but it's still pretty much in the minority (imo) and again, I think it's blinkered for anyone to associate all people from the one area, are the same (not saying you are doing that, not at all...... I'm sure you know what I mean!). I totally understand your own annoyance: hell.... you just have to look at the nutjob that have been Scottish who have been on BB... the majority of Scottish housemates have been embarrassments totally.

Yeah, I know what you mean. It would be interesting to know the origins of these stereotypes though. There must have been some kind of cultural moment for each of the areas that you listed that somehow planted the seeds of these portrayals, that were then somehow reinforced with further cultural moments until they bacame stereotypes. I'm wandering off topic again though.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Yeah, I know what you mean. It would be interesting to know the origins of these stereotypes though. There must have been some kind of cultural moment for each of the areas that you listed that somehow planted the seeds of these portrayals, that were then somehow reinforced with further cultural moments until they bacame stereotypes. I'm wandering off topic again though.

I do know that as far as history is concerned, years ago, a Scottish pint was equal to 2 (or 2.5, 2 I think) English pints - going back to William Wallace days: so that would account for Drunken Scots.... where the miserable thing came from: No idea!

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I do know that as far as history is concerned, years ago, a Scottish pint was equal to 2 (or 2.5, 2 I think) English pints - going back to William Wallace days: so that would account for Drunken Scots.... where the miserable thing came from: No idea!

Interesting, I didn't know that about the pints. That may also account for the sterotype of them being miserly as well, if the pints cost the same as English ones.

I think with some stereotypes, there's a tendency with some of them to try and live up to them too. Using Geordies as an example, the sterotype is one of hard drinking, fun loving, sexually promiscuous hard men, which can be seen as quite positive by some, especially teenage boys. You'd think that by the time they got to Jay's age they'd have grown out of that by now though and would want to be perceived as their own man, an individual rather than a cliche. (see how I managed to drag this back on topic there? )

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Interesting, I didn't know that about the pints. That may also account for the sterotype of them being miserly as well, if the pints cost the same as English ones.

I think with some stereotypes, there's a tendency with some of them to try and live up to them too. Using Geordies as an example, the sterotype is one of hard drinking, fun loving, sexually promiscuous hard men, which can be seen as quite positive by some, especially teenage boys. You'd think that by the time they got to Jay's age they'd have grown out of that by now though and would want to be perceived as their own man, an individual rather than a cliche. (see how I managed to drag this back on topic there? )

it gets worse: according to one source, it's 4 pints!!

http://www.dsl.ac.uk/getent4.php?ple...snd&query=PINT


so there you go: if anyone wonders why Scots are considered drunks: that might be a clue.

But it takes us right back to the point the OP made: about not classing everyone from a certain area as being the same - although I do totally understand that the OP meant in fact: she was unsure if that was a colloquialism as far as Newcastle was concerned.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Interesting, I didn't know that about the pints. That may also account for the sterotype of them being miserly as well, if the pints cost the same as English ones.

I think with some stereotypes, there's a tendency with some of them to try and live up to them too. Using Geordies as an example, the sterotype is one of hard drinking, fun loving, sexually promiscuous hard men, which can be seen as quite positive by some, especially teenage boys. You'd think that by the time they got to Jay's age they'd have grown out of that by now though and would want to be perceived as their own man, an individual rather than a cliche. (see how I managed to drag this back on topic there? )

When BB started it didn't pander to stereotypes as much

BB1 Anna - pretty feminine (not man-hating) lesbian
BB1 Craig - hard working self-made Scouser
BB1 Nick - dishonest middle class guy

BB2 Narinda - Geordie: middle class, professional (medical sales person), British-Asian
BB2 Elizabeth - Scottish: sophisiticated, articulate and worldly, not drunkard etc
BB2 Dean: Black/ mixed: professional, intellectual and geeky, not into rap or gangster culture, not homophobic

Almost every black male since BB2 Dean (bar legend Derek BB6 and John Tickle BB4) has been a rap-loving 'urban' stereotype.

Found BB2 Brian D annoying as a camp cliche of a gay man, but I presume thered me masculine gay men in later series, never happened.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

When BB started it didn't pander to stereotypes as much

BB1 Anna - pretty feminine (not man-hating) lesbian
BB1 Craig - hard working self-made Scouser
BB1 Nick - dishonest middle class guy

BB2 Narinda - Geordie: middle class, professional (medical sales person), British-Asian
BB2 Elizabeth - Scottish: sophisiticated, articulate and worldly, not drunkard etc
BB2 Dean: Black/ mixed: professional, intellectual and geeky, not into rap or gangster culture, not homophobic

Almost every black male since BB2 Dean (bar legend Derek BB6 and John Tickle BB4) has been a rap-loving 'urban' stereotype.

Found BB2 Brian D annoying as a camp cliche of a gay man, but I presume thered me masculine gay men in later series, never happened.

Yes, BB does like it's stereotypes. They really seem to do a disservice to black women too, with people like Charlie and that one that got kicked out for making threats.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Yes, BB does like it's stereotypes. They really seem to do a disservice to black women too, with people like Charlie and that one that got kicked out for making threats.

I think that BB do an excellent job of picking the very worst of each and every type of stereotypical type - and I mean as in gender, sexuality, race, culture, you name it: they manage to find the very worst - and then for good measure: they throw in one or two normal everyday type people - just to see how well the 'normal everyday' ones can handle it.

Seriously.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Yes, BB does like it's stereotypes. They really seem to do a disservice to black women too, with people like Charlie and that one that got kicked out for making threats.

You mean BB9 Alex

Black/mixed women on BB

Amma BB2 - argued with Stuart the winker
BB3 Alison -likeable but evicted really early
BB3 Adele - bitchy scheming lesbian who pretended to fancy men to get air time and avoid nominations. Evicted to massive boos.
BB5 Anouska - sexy but scatty evicted week 1 shock eviction
BB6 Vanessa - no descript but bitchy
BB6 Makosi - a diva but had have some charisma. Most successful coming 3rd despite awful boos and hate filled interview with Davina
BB7 Dawn - moany mother figure who wanted to leave and apparently stank of BO
BB8 Charley - aggressive and argumentative
BB8 Kara Louise - shy forgetable new HM who added nothing to the mix
BB9 Alex - extremely aggressive and kicked out
BB9 Sylvia - snidey and bitchy
BB10 Sofia - started of likeable but got into a mega bitch war with Saffia
BB10 Noirin - sexy minx who everyone fancied but was arrogant enjoyed playing with people's emotions
BB11 Rachel W - sexy Beyone a like was evicted in first week mainly due to arguing with JJ1 and being overtly sexual
BB11 Iffy/ Gloria - likeable if a bit dull but surprisingly evicted as soon as she was up despite being quite nice
BB11 Rachael I - new HM but made little impact. People found her scouser accent annoying but was sweet.
BB11 Cougar Jo - new HM started off strongly when entering house but didn't deliver what she promised