[spintronic]

Originally Posted by Claymores

What you say is sensible (albeit that 'welching' on as deal made on national TV does seem highly unprincipled!).

I'm having more laffs today at certain Aaronites pointing the finger at Alex with the suggestion she'll likely 'welch' and being very judgemental of her character. It seems that some were unaware that Aaron had made a further agreement with Jay to split the winner's £50k on a 30/20 basis, and when questioned about Lord Aaron's likely actions, the attitude has often been that 'he should keep it'.

The double-standards are just such a giggle.

It's as simple as this.

1) BB knew Aaron was ahead in the polls, & split the 100k to spite *him*.
2) IF;


2a) Everyone keeps their word.
2b) If Everyone welches.
2c) If Alex splits & Aaron welches.
2d) If Aaron splits & Alex welches.

2a)
Arron = £30,950
Jay = £29,500
Alex = 10k
Tom = 10k
Louise = £9,500 (And a 200k photoshoot like rebeckah, which she won't split)

2b)
Aaron = £50,950
Jay = £14,500
Alex = 30k & nice shoes.
Louise = £3,500 (And a 200k photoshoot like rebeckah, which she won't split)
Tom = £10 & a nice watch.

2c)
Aaron = £50,950
Jay = £14,500 or
Jay = £9,500 (If he also splits) which [He wouldn't given that scenario]
Alex = 10k (Or 20k if Jay doesn't split. As she then won't give louise any)
Louise = £3,500 or (£9,500 depending on Jay) + 200k Photoshoot.
Tom = 10k
2d)
Arron = £30,950
Jay = £34,500
Alex = £30,00 & shoes
Tom = £10 & watch
Louise = £3,500 (And a 200k photoshoot like rebeckah, which she won't split)


Its a "Prisoner dilema" scenario.

With the grinder that Aaron will *NOW* realise he SHOULD have got the full 100k.


But we know 2 things about Aaron.

A) He is smart.
B) He liked Alex (as a little sister)

Given that in scenarios;

2a, 2c & 2d. Jay has *MORE* money than Alex.

He will try to avoid *ANY* outcome that Gives Jay more money than Alex.

Given that 2d has two nasty affects.

1) Jay has more than Alex.
2) Jay has more than Aaron. (Oh yes, Jay has MORE than Aaron)

We know he will avoid 2d like cancer.

2a ALSO gives Jay more than Alex. So he won't be doing that either.

His ***ONLY*** options are,

2b & 2c.

Given they are both scenarios where he *HAS* to welch.

The "Nash Equilibrium" for Aaron is to --------> Welch.

[Claymores]

Sorry to be slightly picky, but I believe yer arithmetic went a little astray on the first one.

2a) Everyone keeps their word

Aaron - £40,000 (simply £30k + £10k)
Jay - £29,500
Alex - £10,000
Tom - £10,000
Louise - £9,500

Haven't counted the other scenarios but, in any case, I would hope that Aaron/Alex are not going to prove themselves to be disingenuous liars with no integrity who 'welch' on the financial splits firmly agreed upon on national TV.

Maybe I'm just 'gifting' them more integrity than I should tho

[Novo]

I Have a feeling Jay and Aaron agreed that the winner gets all the money there was a clip in the final of them talking and then shaking hands when it was just them two left which would explain why Jay didn't say anything about it on BOTS when he had the chance

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Novo

I Have a feeling Jay and Aaron agreed that the winner gets all the money there was a clip in the final of them talking and then shaking hands when it was just them two left which would explain why Jay didn't say anything about it on BOTS when he had the chance

Why would they be busy remaking deals in the final seconds rather than a shake of hands to wish each other 'best of luck' for being crowned champion (would seem FAR more likely) ?????? Are you suggesting that both were just money grabbing twots who had no concern for the title?

Don't think I would have raised the split on BOTS either if I was Jay - it was a done-deal that had previously been hammered-out and shaken on.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by spintronic

It's as simple as this.

1) BB knew Aaron was ahead in the polls, & split the 100k to spite *him*.

Arron = £30,950
Aaron = £50,950
Aaron = £50,950
Arron = £30,950

Originally Posted by Claymores

Sorry to be slightly picky, but I believe yer arithmetic went a little astray on the first one.

2a) Everyone keeps their word

Aaron - £40,000 (simply £30k + £10k)
Haven't counted the other scenarios but, in any case, I would hope that Aaron/Alex are not going to prove themselves to be disingenuous liars with no integrity who 'welch' on the financial splits firmly agreed upon on national TV.

Maybe I'm just 'gifting' them more integrity than I should tho

Aaron's 'share' was £990........ so all other figures (and the supposed calculations) are all wrong-for both of you!!!

[spintronic]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Sorry to be slightly picky, but I believe yer arithmetic went a little astray on the first one.

2a) Everyone keeps their word

Aaron - £40,000 (simply £30k + £10k)
Jay - £29,500
Alex - £10,000
Tom - £10,000
Louise - £9,500

Haven't counted the other scenarios but, in any case, I would hope that Aaron/Alex are not going to prove themselves to be disingenuous liars with no integrity who 'welch' on the financial splits firmly agreed upon on national TV.

Maybe I'm just 'gifting' them more integrity than I should tho

Aaron already has £9,500

If he gives Jay £20k He has £39,500. (I was assuming he wouldn't get an extra 10k bein the winner)

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by spintronic

Aaron already has £9,500

If he gives Jay £20k He has £39,500. (I was assuming he wouldn't get an extra 10k bein the winner)

Nope..... Aaron was allocated £990 on the board.

[spintronic]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Nope..... Aaron was allocated £990 on the board.

Ahhh, k.

Well, given, that's the case. He staill has;

1 "Really bad negative", & "1 negative incentive" for splitting.

And 2 "positive incentives" for not.

[alex_front2]

He shouldn't. Jay was a t*sser who was vile towards him.

[Yayita]

Aaron officially reneged on the splitting of the winnings! Not sure if you've seen this article. Read towards the bottom.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north...2703-29772955/

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by spintronic

Ahhh, k.

Well, given, that's the case. He staill has;

1 "Really bad negative", & "1 negative incentive" for splitting.

And 2 "positive incentives" for not.

LOL... I was genuinely laughing here at everyone plotting out the various scenarios etc: when they can't even get the initial monies right.... kinda weakens it a wee bit.

I hope he kept his £50k....regardless. The guy put up with enough crap for it.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Yayita

Aaron officially reneged on the splitting of the winnings! Not sure if you've seen this article. Read towards the bottom.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north...2703-29772955/

Jay's mum is a pathetic pushy stage 'mom-manager' (momager) who can't handle the fact that her so called working class Geordie plumper cheaky chappy son lost to an intelligent, enigmatic middle class professional.
And I say that as a working class person. And I loved Harry (at times) Wish other working class people would just accept that Aaron won. Simples.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Yayita

Aaron officially reneged on the splitting of the winnings! Not sure if you've seen this article. Read towards the bottom.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north...2703-29772955/

Good. I salute him. Jay renaiged on the not buying birthday gifts: so I'm bloody delighted to hear this, and I SO HOPE it is true.

As for his mum: what a desperate mare she really is. She's actually coming over as more fame hungry that her son half the time. she needs to wake up and smell the coffee: Ulrika and Rachel were both booed.

the way she's talking, 'the peoples winner' (or WTTE) - you'd think Jay was the male version of Princess Di.

Deary me...... the poor mam is deluded.

[InOne]

Mummy Waggott is as vile as him Do they think he's the male Cheryl Cole or something?

[Yayita]

I like Jay, he is not perfect but I like him. Its a matter of keeping your word, specially when it was his idea, but in the end what they do doesn't affect me in the least. I wish them all well.

[Yayita]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Good. I salute him. Jay renaiged on the not buying birthday gifts: so I'm bloody delighted to hear this, and I SO HOPE it is true.

As for his mum: what a desperate mare she really is. She's actually coming over as more fame hungry that her son half the time. she needs to wake up and smell the coffee: Ulrika and Rachel were both booed.

the way she's talking, 'the peoples winner' (or WTTE) - you'd think Jay was the male version of Princess Di.

Deary me...... the poor mam is deluded.

I agree with that, his mom seems to be really pushy. I was fine with her drumming support during votes, but its over now, she should stop.

[Yayita]

Now, since Aaron welched, they shouldn't give him the 10K from the original deal, they should split it between the remaining 4.

[MTVN]

What a prick he is if that story's true

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What a prick he is if that story's true

It's called payback for doing the same to Aaron re the birthday gifts. I know you don't see it in the same light, but as far as I'm concerned, it IS exactly the same principle.

What goes around, comes around and all that - and Jay's (if the story is true) has come round to bite him on his rather smooth arse.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Good. I salute him. Jay renaiged on the not buying birthday gifts: so I'm bloody delighted to hear this, and I SO HOPE it is true.

Irony.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

They all agreed on their mothers' lives....... so Aaron should get his additional £10k that they all swore on.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Irony.

Sorry, I must have missed the bit where Aaron swore on his mother's life that he would share the £50k winner's prize money.

Perhaps you'd like to put up a clip of him saying this.

Until then..... No irony I am right and you know it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Irony.

Sorry, I must have missed the bit where Aaron swore on his mother's life that he would share the £50k winner's prize money.

Perhaps you'd like to put up a clip of him saying this.

Until then..... No irony. I am right and you know it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's called payback for doing the same to Aaron re the birthday gifts. I know you don't see it in the same light, but as far as I'm concerned, it IS exactly the same principle.

What goes around, comes around and all that - and Jay's (if the story is true) has come round to bite him on his rather smooth arse.

No it's called being a selfish back-stabbing prick. They never made an agreement on the presents, all that happened was Aaron declared himself out and told Jay and Louise to go ahead if they wanted to do - that's what they did.

It's blindingly obvious how the situations are different, and you would see it too if you weren't just commited to defend Aaron no matter what

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Sorry, I must have missed the bit where Aaron swore on his mother's life that he would share the £50k winner's prize money.

Perhaps you'd like to put up a clip of him saying this.

Until then..... No irony. I am right and you know it.

So because an agreement is worded differently it doesn't need to be stuck to?

LMAO

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

No it's called being a selfish back-stabbing prick. They never made an agreement on the presents, all that happened was Aaron declared himself out and told Jay and Louise to go ahead if they wanted to do - that's what they did.

It's blindingly obvious how the situations are different, and you would see it true if you weren't just commited to defend Aaron no matter what

No, no.

You specifically referred to a previous quote: upon which I mentioned swearing on mothers' lives.

Now: prove your point ..... show me where Aaron swore on his mother's life to Jay, about the Winner's money.

Go on.... show me. then I might listen.