[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Well that statement just about killed the whole idea of female power didn't it?

Isn't there a current movement called the "Slut Walk"? That explaining, or excusing, rape by referring to any aspect of a woman's appearance is just plain wrong? That women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s?

There is a woman in the BB house that is "famous" for sleeping with her husbands brother, but the twins, who are essentially glamour models, are prostitutes. My head kinda hurts on that one - and before anyone knocks me, I like Nat, she seems sweet.

But in a house where the most intelligent thing Frankie has said is that looking at the girls makes him want to wank. And where Kirks idea of a chat up line - "nice tits, are they real?", the playboy twins are soulless and shouldn't be given respect....the mind boggles...

(Wow! What a rant! )

I suggest you stop right there. Don't try to infer that I was making out girls deserve to be raped because they dress provocatively or whatever. That WASN'T my point.

If you re-read my post you'll see I said they were just like prostitutes because as playboy bunnies they are there to be paid for Hugh Hefner's perverted pleasure. Anyone who thinks they lived in his mansion and have not had any sexual contact with him must be naive. THAT'S where my prostitute comparison came in. They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life and earn money from horny masturbating little boys like Frankie Cocozza, so it's a bit rich when they say Frankie's attitude towards them is disrespectful as they disrespect themselves in the public eye having done what they've done.

The calendars and magazines they pose for are there PURELY for the gratification of people who find those images arousing, like porn.

Completely different to a model in a clothing catalogue or advert which has an entirely different purpose.

Don't turn my point into a generalised viewpoint of women in general, or even models in general.

And, yes, I agree what a rant.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

If you re-read my post you'll see I said they were just like prostitutes because as playboy bunnies they are there to be paid for Hugh Hefner's perverted pleasure. Anyone who thinks they lived in his mansion and have not had any sexual contact with him must be naive.

THAT'S where my prostitute comparison came in. They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life and earn money from horny masturbating little boys like Frankie Cocozza, so it's a bit rich when they say Frankie's attitude towards them is disrespectful as they disrespect themselves in the public eye having done what they've done.

That would be called personal opinion.

The facts are that you, me and anyone reading this post have no idea what happened in the playboy mansion.

We can assume - we've all heard the stories - but we don't ACTUALLY KNOW what the twins and Hef ACTUALLY did together.

Their ACTUAL job was the promotion of the Playboy empire.

They even said that they weren't allowed down to half the parties there. That most of the time they were bored, just sitting around the house.

So yes d*mning someone as a prostitute based simply on how you view the situation...

And there are vast differences between a persons professional life and their personal life. Like it or not the so called glamour modeling life is a business and playboy is a part of that life. If a girl chooses to pose nude for a camera, that does not make her a *****. And believe it or not that doesn't mean that people can call her one.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by kefln

That would be called personal opinion.

The facts are that you, me and anyone reading this post have no idea what happened in the playboy mansion.

We can assume - we've all heard the stories - but we don't ACTUALLY KNOW what the twins and Hef ACTUALLY did together.

Their ACTUAL job was the promotion of the Playboy empire.

They even said that they weren't allowed down to half the parties there. That most of the time they were bored, just sitting around the house.

So yes d*mning someone as a prostitute based simply on how you view the situation...

And there are vast differences between a persons professional life and their personal life. Like it or not the so called glamour modeling life is a business and playboy is a part of that life. If a girl chooses to pose nude for a camera, that does not make her a *****. And believe it or not that doesn't mean that people can call her one.

In the same context, you defend them as if they haven't done any of those things, you justify their acknowledged sexual commerce as legitimate, which is merely your own personal opinion, no more relevant than the many others who see them as just highly paid sex workers who arrogantly expect to be treated with respect by others.

If they expect to be treated as "ladies", then why make a career built on being overpaid slappers who graduated from the Heffner Harem.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

If they're comfortable with their "career" that's fine. But to act as though they're worth more than the cheap glossy covers they pose on is pretty delusional.

I’m sorry, but I’m slightly confused. When exactly did they act like they are worth more than their “cheap glossy covers”? They have been asked about playboy and they’ve answered fairly honestly. And apart from that they have been mingling with the others. The only “sex” talk is coming from the boys – two in particular.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

To act as though being sexualised by two young boys is demeaning and disrespectful when it's for that reason they have a "career" in the first place is ridiculous. That's the point I was trying to make.

Again, as I’ve mentioned before, there are vast differences between being photographed professionally as a “model” and having someone leach over you in your sitting room. Business v’s personal.

The twins are on the show to increase their profile in the UK. Chances are they will get a few mag deals out of it. Perhaps a few spots on TV shows. Once they are done they’ll hop back across the pond and we’ll probably never hear of them again. That’s business. That’s how they have chosen to make their living.

But they are allowed have an opinion about those that are in their personal space, about comments made to their faces, or behind their backs.

You called two girls prostitutes simply because you disagree with their chosen career. You said that :

“I mean they deserve as much respect as prostitutes due to the fact they sold their soul or at least their bodies to Hugh Hefner.”

That

“They earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world. Don't bite the hands that feed you girls”

To put it simply, soulless *****s, that should mind their tongue and remember their place.

And that I disagree with. My reply was simple, that women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s.

Just because you don’t like their chosen lifestyle doesn’t mean that their opinion is worthless. And you’ve already made up your mind on them, as you so tastefully put it:

“They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life”

“their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them”

“whether they physically shagged the old perv or not”

You have made your judgement. You have taken a perceived image and d*mned them for it.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I never made out it was anything but my own opinion. This is a forum I don't have to state it in every post that what I'm saying is an opinion. And I stand by my OPINION

Good for you. We are all entitled to an opinion. Even playboy bunnies…

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

I’m sorry, but I’m slightly confused. When exactly did they act like they are worth more than their “cheap glossy covers”? They have been asked about playboy and they’ve answered fairly honestly. And apart from that they have been mingling with the others. The only “sex” talk is coming from the boys – two in particular.


Again, as I’ve mentioned before, there are vast differences between being photographed professionally as a “model” and having someone leach over you in your sitting room. Business v’s personal.

The twins are on the show to increase their profile in the UK. Chances are they will get a few mag deals out of it. Perhaps a few spots on TV shows. Once they are done they’ll hop back across the pond and we’ll probably never hear of them again. That’s business. That’s how they have chosen to make their living.

But they are allowed have an opinion about those that are in their personal space, about comments made to their faces, or behind their backs.

You called two girls prostitutes simply because you disagree with their chosen career. You said that :

“I mean they deserve as much respect as prostitutes due to the fact they sold their soul or at least their bodies to Hugh Hefner.”

That

“They earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world. Don't bite the hands that feed you girls”

To put it simply, soulless *****s, that should mind their tongue and remember their place.

And that I disagree with. My reply was simple, that women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s.

Just because you don’t like their chosen lifestyle doesn’t mean that their opinion is worthless. And you’ve already made up your mind on them, as you so tastefully put it:

“They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life”

“their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them”

“whether they physically shagged the old perv or not”

You have made your judgement. You have taken a perceived image and d*mned them for it.


Good for you. We are all entitled to an opinion. Even playboy bunnies…

That last comment is laughable, I never said they are not entitled to do as they please or have their own opinion. I said they are free to do as they please.
As far as finding themselves worth more than the glossy covers has got nothing to do with "sex talk", it's to do with the conversations they've had regarding Frankie and Kirk's behaviour around them. They spoke as though the sexual objection of women was disrespectful to them and everyone else, YET that is their living objectifying women in wank mags. If girls like them didn't so overtly sexualise their tits with silicone implants, blonde hair, sex tapes and magazines (and this isn't a generalisation, these twins have done that) then maybe there wouldn't be such a huge problem with disrespectful little boys.

And yet from my "sold soul and body" you still do not understand my prostitute comparison. It's got nothing to do with the way they dress or the way they speak.

They are comparable to street walkers BECAUSE THEY SLEEEP/SLEPT WITH A DIRTY OLD MAN FOR MONEY AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES.

If you don't believe they did that, that's your opinion.

And yes I judged them on a perceived image, a perceived image they THEY PERSONALLY gave me. So, I'd call that a pretty accurate judgement.