[Liberty4eva]

I love Ron Paul's explanation of foreign aid: it's taking the money from poor people in a rich country and giving it to rich people in a poor country. Makes sense to me the more I think about it. The only argument those who advocate foreign aid seem to have is that the intention is good and it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. But does it really do anything to help poor people in the long-run?

Here's what I think we should do: Stop all government foreign aid but let private citizens donate aid if they wish. Second, stop all farm subsidies which America and especially Europe practice and lower and eliminate the trade barriers so the agricultural countries can export their cheaper food and make some money. This would help both people in both countries because as everyone who has taken an economic class knows: in free trade the gains to the winners exceed the losses to the losers.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I love Ron Paul's explanation of foreign aid: it's taking the money from poor people in a rich country and giving it to rich people in a poor country. Makes sense to me the more I think about it. The only argument those who advocate foreign aid seem to have is that the intention is good and it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. But does it really do anything to help poor people in the long-run?

Here's what I think we should do: Stop all government foreign aid but let private citizens donate aid if they wish. Second, stop all farm subsidies which America and especially Europe practice and lower and eliminate the trade barriers so the agricultural countries can export their cheaper food and make some money. This would help both people in both countries because as everyone who has taken an economic class knows: in free trade the gains to the winners exceed the losses to the losers.

ok, well instead of just cutting off money, how bout you come up with a better way to get it to the people that need it then? Did that never cross your mind?
How about you go to those places in Africa, and South America, and Asia, and a find a better way to get them what they need, instead of yur solution of just "cut off the money". That doesn't make sense to you?

so what is yur solution then? I'm all ears.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ok, well instead of just cutting off money, how bout you come up with a better way to get it to the people that need it then? Did that never cross your mind?
How about you go to those places in Africa, and South America, and Asia, and a find a better way to get them what they need, instead of yur solution of just "cut off the money". That doesn't make sense to you?

so what is yur solution then? I'm all ears.

I'm not sure there is a way to get the aid directly to the poor people. There always is gonna be some sort of corrupt bureaucracy that you have to get through. So rather than risk empowering their corrupt governments we ought to help the farmers and the workers on the farms by letting them export their crops to the US and Europe. That would definitely help out the poor whereas foreign aid could even potentially make the situation worse by making corrupt government that much more powerful.

[lostalex]

Well Ron Paul is not gonna be president, thank gawd.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well Ron Paul is not gonna be president, thank gawd.

At times like these you realize how deluded the person you're debating is. I must say for someone who was practically having an orgasm on the Fourth of July, you don't seem that eager to support people who support the Constitution which doesn't permit the federal government to give any aid to anyone.

[Marsh.]

I've got to say arista, for someone who seems to strive to sound intelligent in your replies you are very simplistic in your views.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

At times like these you realize how deluded the person you're debating is. I must say for someone who was practically having an orgasm on the Fourth of July, you don't seem that eager to support people who support the Constitution which doesn't permit the federal government to give any aid to anyone.

You obviously havn't read the Constitution then, cause the ENTIRE POINT of the Constitution is to award DIGNITY to HUMAN BEINGS, that's the whole POINT of it, and the idea that you would put MONEY over PEOPLE is repulsive, and totally AGAINST the ideals of the Constitution.

I'm not DEBATING you, i'm just answering your question.

[arista]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I've got to say arista, for someone who seems to strive to sound intelligent in your replies you are very simplistic in your views.

Times are hard


India can Fund Itself.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You obviously havn't read the Constitution then, cause the ENTIRE POINT of the Constitution is to award DIGNITY to HUMAN BEINGS, that's the whole POINT of it, and the idea that you would put MONEY over PEOPLE is repulsive, and totally AGAINST the ideals of the Constitution.

I'm not DEBATING you, i'm just answering your question.

You call eating bread crumbs out of Uncle Sam's hands "dignity"? Dignity would be where you allow these poor countries to earn their wealth by trading with them and eliminating the farm subsidies. Living a life of dependency on other people from other countries is the opposite of dignity.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

You call eating bread crumbs out of Uncle Sam's hands "dignity"? Dignity would be where you allow these poor countries to earn their wealth by trading with them and eliminating the farm subsidies. Living a life of dependency on other people from other countries is the opposite of dignity.

umm, if bread crumbs are keeping you alive, then YES, the Constitution does have SOMETHING to say about the RIGHT to LIFE. you obviously havn't read it i guess?? The Bill of Rights, LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, in THAT order.

[Glenn.]

Whilst I think cutting aid completely would not be a good idea I find it hard to see why third world countries are still in the state they are in.

Comic Relief for instance, raises millions of pounds every year yet the problems in Africa don't improve.

It's confusing.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Whilst I think cutting aid completely would not be a good idea I find it hard to see why third world countries are still in the state they are in.

Comic Relief for instance, raises millions of pounds every year yet the problems in Africa don't improve.

It's confusing.

And those millions of pounds raised does a HUGE amount of good. I don't understand this idea some people seem to have that that money is just flushed down the drain. It DOES do good and every pound given does good.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, if bread crumbs are keeping you alive, then YES, the Constitution does have SOMETHING to say about the RIGHT to LIFE. you obviously havn't read it i guess?? The Bill of Rights, LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, in THAT order.

Just so I'm sure you're not confused: The Constitution doesn't mention life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That would be The Declaration of Independence.

Anyways, I don't think you're doing a good job trying to make the point you're trying to make. But hey, I'm sure to you it all makes perfect sense.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Just so I'm sure you're not confused: The Constitution doesn't mention life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That would be The Declaration of Independence.

Anyways, I don't think you're doing a good job trying to make the point you're trying to make. But hey, I'm sure to you it all makes perfect sense.

The declaration od Independence is in the constitution, thanks for proving me right, you obviously have never read it,.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Just so I'm sure you're not confused: The Constitution doesn't mention life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That would be The Declaration of Independence.

Anyways, I don't think you're doing a good job trying to make the point you're trying to make. But hey, I'm sure to you it all makes perfect sense.

The Declaration of Independence is in the Constitution. Thanks for proving me right, you obviously have never read it.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The declaration od Independence is in the constitution, thanks for proving me right, you obviously have never read it,.

Talk about having the audacity to just make stuff up on the spot.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Whilst I think cutting aid completely would not be a good idea I find it hard to see why third world countries are still in the state they are in.

Comic Relief for instance, raises millions of pounds every year yet the problems in Africa don't improve.

It's confusing.

There was the pirates the Other day
holding a American and Danish
The USA Navy went in Killing all pirates
and bringing back the 2 people.


Its Not Confusing to America.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Talk about having the audacity to just make stuff up on the spot.

The Declaration of Independence is FEDERAL LAW. Do you know what that means? Itr means that the GOVERNMENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has an OBLIGATION to uphold it with any means necessary. That's what a FEDERAL LAW MEANS.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

There was the pirates the Other day
holding a American and Danish
The USA Navy went in Killing all pirates
and bringing back the 2 people.


Its Not Confusing to America.

Killing all pirates? lmao, now ARISTA ohh, look i can use bold too! When are you gonna talk about all the people the US military has SAVED from the Pirates? hmmm? I'm waiting to hear that list form you, since you seem to be such an expert on all thing Pirate, Let's see that list next please ARISTA


yay for bold! lmao.

[arista]

No The Pirates Must all be Killed
Thats the Only way

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

No The Pirates Must all be Killed
Thats the Only way

Ic so you are completely unaware of all the people taken hostage by pirates i guess. It's never crossed yur mind to actually investigate that aspect of it?? really? ok.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Ic so you are completely unaware of all the people taken hostage by pirates i guess. It's never crossed yur mind to actually investigate that aspect of it?? really? ok.

No really


You talk in mumbles , it appears

[Mystic Mock]

Yes as I believe no country should be suffering like this in modern times,but I just wish that there Governments weren't so currupt and would actually help there own country out when we give the money to them.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

No really


You talk in mumbles , it appears

ok, who brought up Pirates? In bold too! so it must be important! ...but yu don't know anything about it? so why'd yu bring it up then.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Yes as I believe no country should be suffering like this in modern times,but I just wish that there Governments weren't so currupt and would actually help there own country out when we give the money to them.

eggsactly, and it really makes the prospect of reincarnation very scary.