[Kizzy]

Lol! very interesting vicky
was just skimming through th budget again and it seems they have done what livia suggested...An obesity tax (i agree its a good thing) I would maybe call it a satfat tax though. Fast food outlets and GREGGS are to put the 20% VAT rate on their goods....

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Think as in thinking


Bye as in Bye Bye.

yes no go a pay your tax

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Its not down to me to disprove his point, its is his to prove it.

Says who?

Originally Posted by kizzy

Yeah charlie...

Oh yes because who was it who asked for proof first?? Was it me.... no. Was it you.... oh yea that's who it was, it was you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Says who?



Oh yes because who was it who asked for proof first?? Was it me.... no. Was it you.... oh yea that's who it was, it was you.

Don't get cross charlie

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

They actually are for some people who depend on them for getting around and who otherwise be confined to their homes. And please don't tell me they can utilise public transport.

In regards to the comment "Once again, humans lived fine without television before the 20th century so why can they not now? Humans in LEDC's continue to live without television in places such as Africa and Asia. It is laughable that you asked what would they be doing throughout the day without 'entertainment', maybe they should be working in that time to try earn more money."

I don't actually think it was asked what would people do for entertainment "throughout the day" but actually "on a daily basis". People on low incomes can work during the day and watch tv in the evening, or vice versa. I would not begrudge anyone for having a standard tv. Maybe they could work day and night though to accommodate such a luxury though...

It is still an unnecessary good. They can dance, they can make up stories, they can sing, they can do anything else the millions of people in the world do who don't own a bloody tv. For people to even think tv is necessary is so absolutely ridiculous it is unreal, is that really the culture we are in, that life is only deemed liveable if we have TV. For gods sake, really.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Don't get cross charlie

I am in no way cross.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by kizzy

You have no proof that people on low incomes want the rich to pay more, how is it clear? You have shown me no facts or statistics, it's just your opinion untill you can.

Well, I cannot get the people I talk to to speak on here, so you be as idle as you want. I did also state that NOT ALL felt like that. I would search online to find people who felt like that, but I really don't care enough. I offered my opinion on this subject, if you don't like it or disagree with it, then I'm afraid that is tough.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

I am in no way cross.

Im in no way crazy charlie...Not today anyway..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Well, I cannot get the people I talk to to speak on here, so you be as idle as you want. I did also state that NOT ALL felt like that. I would search online to find people who felt like that, but I really don't care enough. I offered my opinion on this subject, if you don't like it or disagree with it, then I'm afraid that is tough.

Ok, i understand it is your opinion. I will ask you to explain this comment in your post though, who can be as idle as they want?....

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

It is still an unnecessary good. They can dance, they can make up stories, they can sing, they can do anything else the millions of people in the world do who don't own a bloody tv. For people to even think tv is necessary is so absolutely ridiculous it is unreal, is that really the culture we are in, that life is only deemed liveable if we have TV. For gods sake, really.

I never said it was a necessity if you read my post? Same as a washing machine isn't necessary. Or many other items. Maybe they could read, but I suppose books are deemed as luxuries. Maybe listen to music, but then again stereos, mp3 players and cd's are again luxuries. Dancing, singing and making up stories? Hmm. Interesting. Do you mean in their own homes? I don't know about you but I would not fancy singing to myself all night and telling myself stories.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

It is still an unnecessary good. They can dance, they can make up stories, they can sing, they can do anything else the millions of people in the world do who don't own a bloody tv. For people to even think tv is necessary is so absolutely ridiculous it is unreal, is that really the culture we are in, that life is only deemed liveable if we have TV. For gods sake, really.

Charlie i appreciate you are very young, alongside economics can i suggest you look into sociology?
It may, or may not give you a different perspective on this topic.

[joeysteele]

I doubt personally that even the most hard hearted politician would begrudge anyone on low incomes having a TV.
Of course people didn't have one and other things decades ago but times change and things progress.
We all have things we couldn't have ages ago.

[Mrluvaluva]

I stocked up last week with a couple of packets, but was surprised when I went into Asda today and my cigarettes are still the same price, where as they have gone up in other outlets. No idea why?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I stocked up last week with a couple of packets, but was surprised when I went into Asda today and my cigarettes are still the same price, where as they have gone up in other outlets. No idea why?

Hmm they might have reduced the price that they sell them at so the tax increase makes no change to the price, would mean they make less profit themselves though

[InOne]

Pall Mall are still the same for me

[Smithy]

They will be till the new ones are in production properly

[Mrluvaluva]

All the other supermarkets have gone up though Smithy?

[Kizzy]

right..im sick of all you smokers now...I demand you stop! ok?

[MTVN]

Don't think it would be anything to do with not having new ones, they were all supposed to go up in price 6pm the day it was announced in the budget I think

[Mrluvaluva]

Sorry Kizzy it did not work. Was worth a try though.

Prices compared....

[MTVN]

Even the fags at Waitrose are more expensive

[Mrluvaluva]

I know. It's cheaper to get them delivered than it is to buy them instore!