[Merry Mockmas]

If they go ahead with this then all the terrorists have to do is speak in code,not to mention how close it is to George Orwell's 1984.

[Harry!]

Have they not heard of the hidden web? There are many sites that are impossible to track down via a Google search. These sites are where real criminal activity happens.

[Ryan.]

I thought this was an April fools day joke?

[arista]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Why will it affect busines customers arista?

It Will Not.

[arista]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

If they go ahead with this then all the terrorists have to do is speak in code,not to mention how close it is to George Orwell's 1984.

They do now .



You will be Posting images of that Great Film V
next

[Omah]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

If they go ahead with this then all the terrorists have to do is speak in code.

Like Navajo code talkers ?

[joeysteele]

They should just leave things as they are, this 'could' be a step too far and I thought the Conservative party was determined to remove this intrusion and poking into peoples lives that they regularly condemned Labour for doing.

Wonder if David Davies though does another campaign as to civil rights as he is dead against this I understand, I think so are a good number of Conservatives too, even my staunch Conservative friends don't want this and none of my Labour political friends do, I have no current friend who will admit to being a LibDem so cannot speak for them.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Niall

Tbh, if you have nothing to hide then you should have nothing to get flustered about.

The mating call of the Commie.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Lets be sensible about this

61m people live in the United Kingdom
Around 60m people in the country will have a pretty boring internet history
The government will be interested in those who dont. The Government don't give a damn about what threads you are viewing on TiBB.

Talk about being naive!

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Lets be sensible about this

61m people live in the United Kingdom
Around 60m people in the country will have a pretty boring internet history
The government will be interested in those who dont. The Government don't give a damn about what threads you are viewing on TiBB.

Talk about being naive!

[Jords]

The reasoning is ridiculous. Surely criminals/terrorists will just not use these methods to communicate? Duh.

I think its a massive violation of privacy, but meh.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Shaun

blowitupbaby@hotmail.com wrote:
hey mohamed hows it goin cant wait to see u in chicago dont forget the chlorine! x

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Jords

The reasoning is ridiculous. Surely criminals/terrorists will just not use these methods to communicate? Duh.

I think its a massive violation of privacy, but meh.

[2]

[Vicky.]

Can picture it already, come 2-3 years time

'Mass panic as backup discs containing 10m peoples browsing history (inc. bank details for purchases made etc.) have gone missing from head offices' or something

Its easy enough to say if you have nothing to hide it wont affect you, but thats not the case tbh.

And the reasoning is ridiculous anyway. I highly doubt many terorrist attacks are planned over msn or whatever

[Jords]

I personally believe they are using 'protection against terrorists' as an excuse. The more likely reason is that the government just want as much "control" as possible.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Omah

Like Navajo code talkers ?

Im not up to date with all the codes,but if that's what terrorists use then yes they might use it to cover up there dirty plans.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Im not up to date with all the codes,but if that's what terrorists use then yes they might use it to cover up there dirty plans.

Using the Navajo tribe of American Indians to provide cipher service during WW2 was the brainchild of Philip Johnston, the son of missionaries who grew up on a Navajo Reservation. The Navajos were a fierce tribe of warrior stock and their language was oral only.

Johnston saw some Indian tribes used to encipher messages in WW1, so he took this proposal to the US Marine Corps in February of 1942, just two months after the Pearl Harbor attack. In March of 1942 he was asked to give a demonstration to Major General Clayton B. Vogel, the commanding general of Amphibious Corps, Pacific Fleet. He showed that under battlefield conditions, the Navajos could encipher, transmit and decipher a 3 line English message in 20 seconds compared to the 30 minutes required for the cipher machine in use at the time, the M-209. The first 29 Navajo code talkers were recruited in May of 1942 as a test of the program, which proved so successful 420 Navajo code talkers entered the Marine Corps.

The Navajos seem to take the rigorous Marine Corps boot camp training in stride, seemingly unaware they were being physically challenged. They did not have modern conveniences at home and were used to a life of deprivation and hardship. They were not used to the loss of freedom and close quarters of the military, however, but adjusted well. When the drill sergeants would yell at the recruits, "Anyone tired of walking can start running!", the Navajo did not understand sarcasm and would start running.

The Navajos played a significant role in every major battle of the Pacific from mid-1942 in the battle of Guadalcanal to the end of the war.

After the war, the Navajo cipher remained a secret in case it needed to be used again. And, in fact, the code talkers were called on again for use in the Korean War and at the beginning of the Vietnam War.

http://ciphermachines.com/navajo

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://ciphermachines.com/navajo

That's interesting,thanks for the info.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

That's interesting,thanks for the info.

There's been a (not very good) film about it :

Windtalkers (2002)

Two U.S. Marines in WWII are assigned to protect Navajo Marines who use their native language as an unbreakable radio cypher.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0245562/

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And the reasoning is ridiculous anyway. I highly doubt many terorrist attacks are planned over msn or whatever

Someone hasn't seen the Zeta chatlogs :/

[Coldwinter]

Its basically Big Brother watching over your emails and...stuff.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Because terrorists have hotmail accounts.

Originally Posted by Shaun

blowitupbaby@hotmail.com wrote:
hey mohamed hows it goin cant wait to see u in chicago dont forget the chlorine! x

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by letmein

Talk about being naive!

So you think police monitoring 61m people is possible? Monitoring internet activity isnt as easy and cheap as tapping a phone. All this is, is policy fluff, police will much prefer to go down the cheap and easy route of tapping phonelines and staking out houses rather than jump through hoops and dodge redtape to find out what the target has just googled.

If the police want to monitor my net usage, they're going to find themselves watching a lot of lesbians.

[Holly Christmas]

I don't really care if the Government wants to read about what I get up to on Tibb, I've already got Nick Clegg signed up as one of the contestants on the Bachelorette, close your ears Mollie

(awards Shaun and Marc a promotion up my most loved list for making me laugh in this thread )