[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only impact a one-day strike will have is that parents will have to find alternative childcare for the day. Parents who probably go to work every day, work hard and don't get a massively subsidised pension. Meanwhile, the teachers will gain an extra day off to add to the twelve weeks they already get.

Do you work in the public sector?...Im guessing no.
Why do people think teachers dont work in holiday times....haha its ridiculous

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Do you work in the public sector?...Im guessing no.
Why do people think teachers dont work in holiday times....haha its ridiculous

I'm getting my popcorn supplies for this one!! Sorry Kizzy - no offence intended - I'm laughing and you'll understand why very soon.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm getting my popcorn supplies for this one!! Sorry Kizzy - no offence intended - I'm laughing and you'll understand why very soon.

ooooh can hardly contain my excitement...lol

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Do you work in the public sector?...Im guessing no.
Why do people think teachers dont work in holiday times....haha its ridiculous

To answer both your questions...

No, I don't work in the public sector, although you already knew the answer to that. My father though - first a soldier and then a paramedic with the London Ambulance Service - has never been on strike. In fact, he's crossed picket lines because he disagrees with militant people striking and putting other people's lives (and in this case, educations) in jeopardy. Considering the amount of money people pay to their unions you think they'd expect them to drag themselves out of the 1970s and represent them a little more effectively, frankly.

I think teachers don't work in holiday times because one of my best friends is a teacher in an inner-city primary school, and her husband is a teacher in an inner-city secondary school. While there is some lesson prep and marking etc. they generally don't work during the holidays.

I work with the public sector. Not directly with public services... but I do have contact with city, council and district councils and I have to say that most of the people I'm forced to deal with wouldn't be able to hold down a job in the private sector... and in many cases couldn't find their arse in the dark with both hands.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Livia

To answer both your questions...

No, I don't work in the public sector, although you already knew the answer to that. My father though - first a soldier and then a paramedic with the London Ambulance Service - has never been on strike. In fact, he's crossed picket lines because he disagrees with militant people striking and putting other people's lives (and in this case, educations) in jeopardy. Considering the amount of money people pay to their unions you think they'd expect them to drag themselves out of the 1970s and represent them a little more effectively, frankly.

I think teachers don't work in holiday times because one of my best friends is a teacher in an inner-city primary school, and her husband is a teacher in an inner-city secondary school. While there is some lesson prep and marking etc. they generally don't work during the holidays.

I work with the public sector. Not directly with public services... but I do have contact with city, council and district councils and I have to say that most of the people I'm forced to deal with wouldn't be able to hold down a job in the private sector... and in many cases couldn't find their arse in the dark with both hands.

Having worked on both sides of the fence - I have to agree here. I've never seen so much laziness, waste of efficiency, time, equipment and work to rule as I did when I worked in several sectors of both civil service and in the public sector.

So much so that I went back into the private sector - so pissed off it made me watching people on inflated wages, booze hidden away in drawers, topping up their coffee with a quick slash and not one person bothering their arses, 2 hour lunches down at the boozers and coming back half cut - and watching the temps bust their guts and doing far better jobs for far less money.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Having worked on both sides of the fence - I have to agree here. I've never seen so much laziness, waste of efficiency, time, equipment and work to rule as I did when I worked in several sectors of both civil service and in the public sector.

So much so that I went back into the private sector - so pissed off it made me watching people on inflated wages, booze hidden away in drawers, topping up their coffee with a quick slash and not one person bothering their arses, 2 hour lunches down at the boozers and coming back half cut - and watching the temps bust their guts and doing far better jobs for far less money.

Thats the only people who will have jobs soon, those on temporary 12 week contracts...no holiday pay, no pension, no job security ...That will be a thing of the past.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Thats the only people who will have jobs soon, those on temporary 12 week contracts...no holiday pay, no pension, no job security ...That will be a thing of the past.

Hate to break it to you but even those in long term perm employ rarely have any real job security anymore.....more so those in the private sector.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Hate to break it to you but even those in long term perm employ rarely have any real job security anymore.....more so those in the private sector.

The private sector is not in discussion here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

To answer both your questions...

No, I don't work in the public sector, although you already knew the answer to that. My father though - first a soldier and then a paramedic with the London Ambulance Service - has never been on strike. In fact, he's crossed picket lines because he disagrees with militant people striking and putting other peopleand in this case, educations's lives () in jeopardy. Considering the amount of money people pay to their unions you think they'd expect them to drag themselves out of the 1970s and represent them a little more effectively, frankly.

I think teachers don't work in holiday times because one of my best friends is a teacher in an inner-city primary school, and her husband is a teacher in an inner-city secondary school. While there is some lesson prep and marking etc. they generally don't work during the holidays.

I work with the public sector. Not directly with public services... but I do have contact with city, council and district councils and I have to say that most of the people I'm forced to deal with wouldn't be able to hold down a job in the private sector... and in many cases couldn't find their arse in the dark with both hands.

The term 'militant' is an unfair generalisation of all union members.....
Are you suggesting a one day strke will have an adverse affect on educational attainment?...
If teachers choose not to use the off term time to plan lesssons , mark work, appraise students, complete paperwork then yes they will have lots of 'free time'
In what capacity do these people work in the public sector who cannot find their arses....And why would you say that about them?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

The term 'militant' is an unfair generalisation of all union members.....
Are you suggesting a one day strke will have an adverse affect on educational attainment?...
If teachers choose not to use the off term time to plan lesssons , mark work, appraise students, complete paperwork then yes they will have lots of 'free time'
In what capacity do these people work in the public sector who cannot find their arses....And why would you say that about them?

I think it's a perfectly fair generalisation. My Dad's been called a "scab" by colleagues and had stuff chucked at him by them while he was trying to get out in an emergency ambulance with his blues and twos on. What would YOU call it? And in fact, I didn't call union members militant, I said "militant people striking".

Seeing as we're coming up to exam time, I'd say every day counted, wouldn't you?

I would say that about them because it's true. I have to endure their endless ineptitude. I'm talking about all areas of councils... planning, refuse collection, children's services (especially children's services), housing, council tax, electoral services... in fact any area that a constituent may have a problem with. So that's pretty much all of them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think it's a perfectly fair generalisation. My Dad's been called a "scab" by colleagues and had stuff chucked at him by them while he was trying to get out in an emergency ambulance with his blues and twos on. What would YOU call it? And in fact, I didn't call union members militant, I said "militant people striking".

Seeing as we're coming up to exam time, I'd say every day counted, wouldn't you?

I would say that about them because it's true. I have to endure their endless ineptitude. I'm talking about all areas of councils... planning, refuse collection, children's services (especially children's services), housing, council tax, electoral services... in fact any area that a constituent may have a problem with. So that's pretty much all of them.

Its a generalisation then to suggest striking people are militant...Maybe they feel that if enough people voice the same view it will make a difference?
Hmmmm, who mentioned miners?....haha

Better tell the government every child matters.....

Let me guess...Especially in child services they 'don't have any funding available'.....
Everywhere else it is not their department, and you get so frustrated you give up?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Its a generalisation then to suggest striking people are militant...Maybe they feel that if enough people voice the same view it will make a difference?
Hmmmm, who mentioned miners?....haha

Better tell the government every child matters.....

Let me guess...Especially in child services they 'don't have any funding available'.....
Everywhere else it is not their department, and you get so frustrated you give up?

Militant is the correct term to be used for those who aggressively take a stance for 'their cause': generalising it as such, is more than reasonable.

As for enough people with voices: empty vessels make the most noise - so nope, no difference will be made.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Militant is the correct term to be used for those who aggressively take a stance for 'their cause': generalising it as such, is more than reasonable.

As for enough people with voices: empty vessels make the most noise - so nope, no difference will be made.

Define aggressive....
Empty vessels?....Explain this I do not understand, do you not feel the teaching profession has a voice?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Its a generalisation then to suggest striking people are militant...Maybe they feel that if enough people voice the same view it will make a difference?
Hmmmm, who mentioned miners?....haha

Better tell the government every child matters.....

Let me guess...Especially in child services they 'don't have any funding available'.....
Everywhere else it is not their department, and you get so frustrated you give up?

It is also a MASSIVE generalisation to think that everyone in the public service is hard done-by. The next time the paramedics are on strike lets hope one of you or yours don't need an ambulance. But if you do, and one doesn't come, you can take comfort that these heroes are, in your eyes, making a difference for themselves.

The government knows every child matters. You seriously think the government wants children to fail? Wants schools to fail? Did the last government want that too?

No...child services is a mess in almost every council I deal with. Their record-keeping is a mess, they take ages to answer the phone, ages to answer an email, agesto answer a letter... Have you seen what a senior social worker makes? Try getting one before 10am, or after 4pm, or on a Friday afternoon. In fact, try getting any sense out of ANY council before 10am, after 4pm or on a Friday afternoon. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of giving up, which is why it's so frustrating. When I start a job I have to see it through to the end. Something that's quite alien to the public services.

And as far as funding goes... if they want to save some of their funding they should cut the waste. If the public services ran as efficiently as private business has to, they'd have loads more cash to spend on what matters.

The leader of my local council is paid three times what the MP is paid. Pin a medal on him, he's serving his country.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

It is also a MASSIVE generalisation to think that everyone in the public service is hard done-by. The next time the paramedics are on strike lets hope one of you or yours don't need an ambulance. But if you do, and one doesn't come, you can take comfort that these heroes are, in your eyes, making a difference for themselves.

The government knows every child matters. You seriously think the government wants children to fail? Wants schools to fail? Did the last government want that too?

No...child services is a mess in almost every council I deal with. Their record-keeping is a mess, they take ages to answer the phone, ages to answer an email, agesto answer a letter... Have you seen what a senior social worker makes? Try getting one before 10am, or after 4pm, or on a Friday afternoon. In fact, try getting any sense out of ANY council before 10am, after 4pm or on a Friday afternoon. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of giving up, which is why it's so frustrating. When I start a job I have to see it through to the end. Something that's quite alien to the public services.

And as far as funding goes... if they want to save some of their funding they should cut the waste. If the public services ran as efficiently as private business has to, they'd have loads more cash to spend on what matters.

The leader of my local council is paid three times what the MP is paid. Pin a medal on him, he's serving his country.

Thats unfair the RCN voted not to strike last time so no lives were ever in jeopardy. And first responders were not involved either...

They are failing....And they are blaming the teachers rather than themselves.

Yes, as child services is seriously underfunded...

What do you consider waste?....

I thought the councils were streamlining? With the abolition of police authorities there will be no need for as many councillors so I'm guessing their days are numbered.

We don't need as many MP's either tbh... Or mayors....