[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Omah

I believe that's called a "defeatist" attitude .....

I like to class myself as being realistic but whatever floats your boat.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I like to class myself as being realistic but whatever floats your boat.

Just to interject on this one small point. You think because we may not be strong enough to hold our own without America's help, we shouldn't bother and just give in? Would you not rather go down fighting for your country, for your freedom?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Just to interject on this one small point. You think because we may not be strong enough to hold our own without America's help, we shouldn't bother and just give in? Would you not rather go down fighting for your country, for your freedom?

I would but I wouldn't want to be forced into doing something that I wouldn't want to do.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Just to interject on this one small point. You think because we may not be strong enough to hold our own without America's help, we shouldn't bother and just give in? Would you not rather go down fighting for your country, for your freedom?

Yeah, that's more like it - Dunkirk, the Few, the Blitz, the Desert Rats, the Cruel Sea - Blimey, I've come over all patriotic .....

(They don't like it up'em, Pikey ..... )

[Ammi]

Anyway...going back to the OP...I think 56 days is harsh..in fact any custodial sentence is harsh imo..there are people who harm someone..and don't get custodial sentences

..on the opinion of who should do jusy service..well I suppose if we had 'volunteers'..you might have to question why they're volunteering and whether they're the right people..so I'm not sure about that

...but then if people are 'forced' and really against it..that could effect their opinions..

...hmmm