[joeysteele]

I don't care how old they are/were, whoever did this are totally rotten people,they should be put away for life, and life should mean life,since we don't have the death penalty in this Country.
If ever a crime warranted it though,then this crime certainly does.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

since we don';t have the death penalty in this Country.

And rightly so.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And rightly so.

While I defend your right to hold that view and I used to myself until recently.
What on earth though could this 94 year old do to defend herself at all, possibly it seems against 2 much younger people too.

They are not people who can do this to a frail 94 year old, maybe the lady doesn't have a great deal of time left as to life, it's actually a wonder she has survived this barbaric attack on her.

Those who did it though will firstly not get life sentences anyway,unless the lady loses her life,also they will have the rest of their lives,still some with freedom to come as well.

It is hardly any wonder that more and more people would advocate bringing back capital punishment for 'some' crimes with very strict criteria as to it, however I would dare bet that in a refendum on this issue would get at least 70% to 80% support for it.

[Jack_]

Very sad news. RIP.

I await however the barrage of inevitable comments demanding we bring back the death penalty, stone them, torture them, and a whole load of other odd, detailed descriptions of what should happen to the two responsible. I can see they've started already.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

While I defend your right to hold that view and I used to myself until recently.
What on earth though could this 94 year old do to defend herself at all, possibly it seems against 2 much younger people too.

They are not people who can do this to a frail 94 year old, maybe the lady doesn't have a great deal of time left as to life, it's actually a wonder she has survived this barbaric attack on her.

Those who did it though will firstly not get life sentences anyway,unless the lady loses her life,also they will have the rest of their lives,still some with freedom to come as well.

It is hardly any wonder that more and more people would advocate bringing back capital punishment for 'some' crimes with very strict criteria as to it, however I would dare bet that in a refendum on this issue would get at least 70% to 80% support for it.

1) The system screams hypocrisy. It's wrong to kill someone, so as punishment...we're...going to kill you. Pretty dumb.

2) It's built upon a false sense of justice and 'revenge'. Very scary when people are so desperate for blood.

3) I don't actually think it's 'punishment' at all. Surely spending many years, if not your whole life in prison is worse than being killed in a matter of minutes?

4) It's completely uncivilised and we bring ourselves down to those who commit these foul crimes.

5) It promotes and endorses murder. If the state itself is doing it then whom are citizens supposed to 'look up' to?

There's more reasons for keeping it abolished than there are for bringing it back. It solves nothing and only leads to people baying for blood.

[bbfan1991]

I agree Jack, I do not agree with the death penalty either, some criminals would see it as an easy way out to escape their crimes as they would no longer be here and I think they would be better off rotting in jail thinking of the consequences of their actions or suffering.

The danger if the death penalty were to be brought back is innocent people getting wrongly convicted of a crime they did not do and then they are put to death, things like this have happened in America and it is too late once new evidence has been uncovered to save the innocent party and put the guilty one in jail, or even using the death penalty like some states there have.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Very sad news. RIP.

I await however the barrage of inevitable comments demanding we bring back the death penalty, stone them, torture them, and a whole load of other odd, detailed descriptions of what should happen to the two responsible. I can see they've started already.



1) The system screams hypocrisy. It's wrong to kill someone, so as punishment...we're...going to kill you. Pretty dumb.

2) It's built upon a false sense of justice and 'revenge'. Very scary when people are so desperate for blood.

3) I don't actually think it's 'punishment' at all. Surely spending many years, if not your whole life in prison is worse than being killed in a matter of minutes?

4) It's completely uncivilised and we bring ourselves down to those who commit these foul crimes.

5) It promotes and endorses murder. If the state itself is doing it then whom are citizens supposed to 'look up' to?

There's more reasons for keeping it abolished than there are for bringing it back. It solves nothing and only leads to people baying for blood.

I agree with this but the problem is sentencing is never long enough. For a crime like this I believe those responsible should never have the luxury of stepping back into society again, they don't deserve it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Very sad news. RIP.

I await however the barrage of inevitable comments demanding we bring back the death penalty, stone them, torture them, and a whole load of other odd, detailed descriptions of what should happen to the two responsible. I can see they've started already.



1) The system screams hypocrisy. It's wrong to kill someone, so as punishment...we're...going to kill you. Pretty dumb.

2) It's built upon a false sense of justice and 'revenge'. Very scary when people are so desperate for blood.

3) I don't actually think it's 'punishment' at all. Surely spending many years, if not your whole life in prison is worse than being killed in a matter of minutes?

4) It's completely uncivilised and we bring ourselves down to those who commit these foul crimes.

5) It promotes and endorses murder. If the state itself is doing it then whom are citizens supposed to 'look up' to?

There's more reasons for keeping it abolished than there are for bringing it back. It solves nothing and only leads to people baying for blood.

Totally understand where you are coming from Jack: with the thought that it is either right or wrong to kill someone - I totally understand.

My thought process is that there is a difference in mindfully killing someone for personal gain, for sexual pleasure whatever: and ending someone's life because that is their punishment for taking an innocent's life

That's possibley the only way I can think of right now to put over how I view the difference.

I know there are the ''eye for an eye'' school of thought, vs the ''two wrongs don't make a right'' school of thought.

In cases such as this: where there is a victim and it is proven beyond all doubt: I am def in for punishment by death. Moreso because I would rather see the taxpayers money be used for more benefitting people: rather than keep such murderers fed, clothed, housed, regardless of their loss of freedom. A freedom that they took from an innocent person. I'd rather the monies went to the survivors of such victms and other far better uses than keeping scum like this alive.

Harsh, but that's my own thoughts.