[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

he wasn't throwing "names around" bigot and bigoted are real words with real definitions, maybe you should look them up because you don't seem to have the greatest grasp on the english language.

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Are you serious? If I'm taking A-level Engish, having attained the highest possible grade at GCSE English, then I clearly do have a grasp of the English language, thank you, so maybe you should get your facts right there.

Not everyone who believes that being gay is wrong necessarily hates the idea. In case you didn't realise, I'm on about the people who simply don't like the idea of being gay or gay marriage but doesn't mind the people. It does happen, you know.

It would also be appreciated if you would desist from saying I have no grasp of the English language whe I clearly do, otherwise you wouldn't be able to understand my posts now, would you?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

Are you serious? If I'm taking A-level Engish, having attained the highest possible grade at GCSE English, then I clearly do have a grasp of the English language, thank you, so maybe you should get your facts right there.

Not everyone who believes that being gay is wrong necessarily hates the idea. In case you didn't realise, I'm on about the people who simply don't like the idea of being gay or gay marriage but doesn't mind the people. It does happen, you know.

It would also be appreciated if you would desist from saying I have no grasp of the English language whe I clearly do, otherwise you wouldn't be able to understand my posts now, would you?

Well then don't say that using the word "bigot" is "throwing names around". as if it's just a schoolyard taunt. it's not, it's an accurate description.

It's not "throwing names around", it's using the appropriate word to describe people who fit the definition.

and your argument that you can hate homosexuality but not hate homosexuals is ridiculous, it's like saying, "i don't hate black people, i just hate the black people that act black"

"I don't mind asian people, as long as they don't do anything asian."

WTF.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well then don't say that using the word "bigot" is "throwing names around". as if it's just a schoolyard taunt. it's not, it's an accurate description. It's not "throwing names around", it's using the appropriate word to describe people who fit the definition.

Fair enough but, as mentioned before, I was actually talking about people who aren't keen on the idea but don't dismiss gays as a whole, which is fine. You can't just brush off the opinions you don't wish to hear and whether or not you like it people will have opinions on any group of people and they're entitled them even if they offend you.

In response to your actual post, though, I refer you to my first sentence before you go round the houses and take what I actually said out of context.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

Fair enough but, as mentioned before, I was actually talking about people who aren't keen on the idea but don't dismiss gays as a whole, which is fine. You can't just brush off the opinions you don't wish to hear and whether or not you like it people will have opinions on any group of people and they're entitled them even if they offend you.

In response to your actual post, though, I refer you to my first sentence before you go round the houses and take what I actually said out of context.

does it sound like i'm "brushing it off"??? if i was brushing it off, i wouldn't be responding to you, obviously i'm not brushing anything off. I combat bigoted ideas with everything i have.

CIVIL RIGHTS IS NOT A MATTER OF OPINION.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well then don't say that using the word "bigot" is "throwing names around". as if it's just a schoolyard taunt. it's not, it's an accurate description.

It's not "throwing names around", it's using the appropriate word to describe people who fit the definition.

and your argument that you can hate homosexuality but not hate homosexuals is ridiculous, it's like saying, "i don't hate black people, i just hate the black people that act black"

"I don't mind asian people, as long as they don't do anything asian."

WTF.

Those aren't the best examples. My next door neighbour doesn't think homosexuality is natural and in a way finds it "weird" still. She's in her 60's so obviously stuck in her ways. But she doesn't have anything against gay people and wouldn't treat them any differently, she just doesn't understand it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Those aren't the best examples. My next door neighbour doesn't think homosexuality is natural and in a way finds it "weird" still. She's in her 60's so obviously stuck in her ways. But she doesn't have anything against gay people and wouldn't treat them any differently, she just doesn't understand it.

there's nothing to understand. Thinking gay people are any different from anyone else is the problem.

does your next door neighbor also think that inter-racial relationships are unnatural?

It's the same bigotry.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

there's nothing to understand. Thinking gay people are any different from anyone else is the problem.

does your next door neighbor also think that inter-racial relationships are unnatural?

It's the same bigotry.

Of course there is. I could argue that you have the same attitude by not listening to or understanding other's views on the matter.

Inter-racial relationships are not comparable.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Of course there is. I could argue that you have the same attitude by not listening to or understanding other's views on the matter.

Inter-racial relationships are not comparable.

of course it's comparable, the same exact arguments you are making against gays are EXACTLY the same arguments used against inter-racial marriages.

Anyone who is against gay marriage is just as evil as the KKK arguments against inter-racial marriages.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

of course it's comparable, the same exact arguments you are making against gays are EXACTLY the same arguments used against inter-racial marriages.

Anyone who is against gay marriage is just as evil as the KKK arguments against inter-racial marriages.

What complete and utter nonsense. I think you'll find that the KKK goes out of their way to stop what they disagree with from happening and are sad enough to join cults, wheareas the people I'm referring to (i.e. don't like the idea of being gay, etc, but have no issue with the people) simply don't like the idea but aren't sad and pathetic enough to stop it from happening.

I find it flabbergasting that you think you can even compare the two.

Originally Posted by lostalex

do you have white christian friends that have done things that you disagree with?

I do, actually.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

of course it's comparable, the same exact arguments you are making against gays are EXACTLY the same arguments used against inter-racial marriages.

Anyone who is against gay marriage is just as evil as the KKK arguments against inter-racial marriages.

From my example, my neighbour isn't evil and wanting gays killed. As I said above, she doesn't understand it.

Considering the argument that can be made for nature versus nurture, it isn't the same as inter-racial marriages. People can't choose their DNA, skin colour and who they're born to. But there is an argument that homosexuality isn't there from birth.

[HoneyPot]

Yes I do.

Not only do I think each and every couple should have equal rights - most people are under the false impression that if a couple lives together for so long, they automatically become a "common law" married couple.

This just isn't the case - it's a myth, there is no such thing as common law marriage.

Which means, if there was a couple and one of them died - the other would not legally be entitled to a thing. So if they shared a house together that was just in one name, they'd lose their home if family stepped in.


Or if one broke off the relationship - and had the home in their name, the other would be left with nothing.

It gives all couples a chance to be legally committed, and it also gives legal security!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by HoneyPot

Yes I do.

Not only do I think each and every couple should have equal rights - most people are under the false impression that if a couple lives together for so long, they automatically become a "common law" married couple.

This just isn't the case - it's a myth, there is no such thing as common law marriage.

Which means, if there was a couple and one of them died - the other would not legally be entitled to a thing. So if they shared a house together that was just in one name, they'd lose their home if family stepped in.


Or if one broke off the relationship - and had the home in their name, the other would be left with nothing.

It gives all couples a chance to be legally committed, and it also gives legal security!

Yes, that's sadly true.

[bbfan1991]

Yes if two people are in love regardless of being the same sex they should be allowed to get married because everyone is supposed to be equal.

I can understand that some religions and their families will obviously disagree.

[Liberty4eva]

I voted no as a protest against frivolous issues like gay marriage. I long for a world where this is the most important issue but there are so many more important things. I could think of 20 issues in the world that are more important than this off the top of my head.

If you still have the freedom to have a relationship with the person you love, how is your happiness being impaired by society? It's as if gay people think they have a right to be thought of as normal. You don't have the right to be thought of as normal. No one does. And by the way, you are not normal. If your type of relationship was normal, we'd die as a species.

I wish that we'd just outlaw marriage and go back to when marriage was just a product of religion and not of government.

[iRyan]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I voted no as a protest against frivolous issues like gay marriage. I long for a world where this is the most important issue but there are so many more important things. I could think of 20 issues in the world that are more important than this off the top of my head.

It's THE civil rights issue of this era though, as the issue of black equality was in the 60s/70s. Obviously there are other more important things, but in terms of social issues - it is pretty big.

If you still have the freedom to have a relationship with the person you love, how is your happiness being impaired by society? It's as if gay people think they have a right to be thought of as normal. You don't have the right to be thought of as normal. No one does. And by the way, you are not normal. If your type of relationship was normal, we'd die as a species.

This comment is so ignorant I don't even know where to begin. Homosexuality IS a normal thing, it exists not only in humans, but in virtually every living species on the planet. It's something that stops populations from being over-populated. Think of how much bigger the population would be if there WASN'T gay people, and everybody was reproducing. Our planet isn't getting any bigger. It can only sustain a certain amont of people, and gay people who cannot reproduce help regulate that.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by iRyan

This comment is so ignorant I don't even know where to begin. Homosexuality IS a normal thing, it exists not only in humans, but in virtually every living species on the planet. It's something that stops populations from being over-populated. Think of how much bigger the population would be if there WASN'T gay people, and everybody was reproducing. Our planet isn't getting any bigger. It can only sustain a certain amont of people, and gay people who cannot reproduce help regulate that.

Okay, if you approach this as something that helps populations then Africa needs a lot more gays (lots of people there) and Europe needs less gays because their populations are not reproducing. Like for every 2 people in Europe they produce something like 1.4 kids (something like that) and this is killing the population.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Okay, if you approach this as something that helps populations then Africa needs a lot more gays (lots of people there) and Europe needs less gays because their populations are not reproducing. Like for every 2 people in Europe they produce something like 1.4 kids (something like that) and this is killing the population.

I can't see how this is relevant. What's your solution? Make them straight? You appear to be playing devil's advocate for the sake of it. If there're so many more important issues (which I agree with, obviously) then that's cool, but they're not exactly relevant to this discussion. Especially when the solution to this problem is so simple ¬_¬

[iRyan]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Okay, if you approach this as something that helps populations then Africa needs a lot more gays (lots of people there) and Europe needs less gays because their populations are not reproducing. Like for every 2 people in Europe they produce something like 1.4 kids (something like that) and this is killing the population.

There are probably thousands to millions of gays in Africa, but it's illegal in basically every country there. And, um, Europe is definitely not underpopulated. Maybe in some areas, but that's because of climate. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Homosexuality does help limit overpopulation on some levels, that's a fact. Because it's a significant portion of the population not reproducing, which IS a good thing.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I voted no as a protest against frivolous issues like gay marriage. I long for a world where this is the most important issue but there are so many more important things. I could think of 20 issues in the world that are more important than this off the top of my head.

If you still have the freedom to have a relationship with the person you love, how is your happiness being impaired by society? It's as if gay people think they have a right to be thought of as normal. You don't have the right to be thought of as normal. No one does. And by the way, you are not normal. If your type of relationship was normal, we'd die as a species.

I wish that we'd just outlaw marriage and go back to when marriage was just a product of religion and not of government.

I wondered how long it would be before you people turned up.

Whilst what you're saying is correct, what can you do about it? Make them straight at the wave of a magic hand? I thought not.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

I wondered how long it would be before you people turned up.

Whilst what you're saying is correct, what can you do about it? Make them straight at the wave of a magic hand? I thought not.

Actually the Americans have those straight camps where they try and turn gay people straight.

It's quite ridiculous but it's true as I remember a Family Guy episode doing a social commentary on it.

[Redway]

In response to your post about not saying you can't be friends with a gay person because you don't agree with their views: just no.

So I have to agree with everything someone does to like the person? Is that what you're saying?

For exaple, I have Muslim friends. I don't agree with what they do but that has no correlation between their friendship with me. As I said, I don't agree with what they do but I'm still friends with them.

The same logic can be applied to other examples. If a friend I know watches something I don't like, what makes you think I'll be sad enough to dismiss the person as a whole because I don't watch a show they watch?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

In response to your post about not saying you can't be friends with a gay person because you don't agree with their views: just no.

So I have to agree with everything someone does to like the person? Is that what you're saying?

For exaple, I have Muslim friends. I don't agree with what they do but that has no correlation between their friendship with me. As I said, I don't agree with what they do but I'm still friends with them.

The same logic can be applied to other examples. If a friend I know watches something I don't like, what makes you think I'll be sad enough to dismiss the person as a whole because I don't watch a show they watch.

do you have white christian friends that have done things that you disagree with?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

Are you serious? If I'm taking A-level Engish, having attained the highest possible grade at GCSE English, then I clearly do have a grasp of the English language, thank you, so maybe you should get your facts right there.

Not everyone who believes that being gay is wrong necessarily hates the idea. In case you didn't realise, I'm on about the people who simply don't like the idea of being gay or gay marriage but doesn't mind the people. It does happen, you know.

It would also be appreciated if you would desist from saying I have no grasp of the English language whe I clearly do, otherwise you wouldn't be able to understand my posts now, would you?

People don't get to believe that being gay is wrong though, how can something natural be wrong? It's like saying "I believe that a person being born with blonde hair is wrong"

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

People don't get to believe that being gay is wrong though, how can something natural be wrong? It's like saying "I believe that a person being born with blonde hair is wrong"

I never for a second said being gay is natural. All I said is that some people still disagree with it, which is true. Whatever circumstances these things fall under, they are still opinions, whether you like them or not.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

I never for a second said being gay is natural. All I said is that some people still disagree with it, which is true. Whatever circumstances these things fall under, they are still opinions, whether you like them or not.

Yes but people can't 'disagree' with something which is FACT of life, some people are born straight, some people are born gay - that's the end of it. It's the same as a person saying they 'disagree' with someone being born black.

And people who don't agree with what I posed above are totally wrong and bigoted.