[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Doogle

Yes but you just lied about what she did to "prove" she was sly and manipulative. I'm not saying you can't have an opinion but I am entitled to argue against it, and you really aren't showing much to back up your ridiculous claims.

I already said why i think she's sly. Her and Lydia have been bitching about him from day three. Then Deena lied to Ben about him. Finally she told Luke S he knew about the prank just to get him in trouble. No wonder he can't stand her!