[rayheartbliss]

Originally Posted by Indy

What exactly are the terms of the law that cover this in the UK? Over here, the only way you'd be arrested for something on Twitter is if it was an immediate and credible threat of violence. I can't wrap my head around a law that makes words the basis for being arrested simply for an opinion, but I know there are some odd laws on it there.

opinion?

its an abuse!

[rinkydinkpanther]

Originally Posted by rayheartbliss

opinion?

its an abuse!

so what is being called a gorilla, what is someone posting they want contestants to die under a bus? oh wait thats straight men theyre not protected by equal rights?

[Indy]

Originally Posted by rayheartbliss

opinion?

its an abuse!

Hence why I'm asking what the law says in the UK. In the US, an opinion, even an abusive one, is not a crime. The only way an opinion becomes a crime is when actual, measurable harm is involved. Hate groups like the WBC and KKK are protected in speech, allowed to post online, march down the street chanting racist/anti-Semetic/anti-gay slogans, have their own tv show if they want, and they say far worse things on a regular basis.

It seems odd to me that for a nation that has far less prissy censorship in regards to language and nudity on TV, expressing opinions is a crime.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Indy

What exactly are the terms of the law that cover this in the UK? Over here, the only way you'd be arrested for something on Twitter is if it was an immediate and credible threat of violence. I can't wrap my head around a law that makes words the basis for being arrested simply for an opinion, but I know there are some odd laws on it there.

'Simply for an opinion' sounds very innocuous - when it some cases it is far from it.
There are a few cases here where young innocent people who have died in tragic circumstances have had sustained cruel and hurtful remarks made about them that is devastating to their family and friends. So much so, that action has been taken to track down the perpetrators.
Free speech is a right that everyone should have, but I also believe that with that comes responsibility as to how you use it.
Not many people would champion the rights of a bully to free speech if a child was being bullied in school, so why is it okay for those bullies to go online and cause pain and heartache as anonymous cowards?

[rinkydinkpanther]

Originally Posted by Indy

Hence why I'm asking what the law says in the UK. In the US, an opinion, even an abusive one, is not a crime. The only way an opinion becomes a crime is when actual, measurable harm is involved. Hate groups like the WBC and KKK are protected in speech, allowed to post online, march down the street chanting racist/anti-Semetic/anti-gay slogans, have their own tv show if they want, and they say far worse things on a regular basis.

It seems odd to me that for a nation that has far less prissy censorship in regards to language and nudity on TV, expressing opinions is a crime.

it started under the awful tony blair (bliar) he passed over 3000 new laws instead of actioning the ones we already had, this lead to a two tier corrupt system, where the rich can pay to bypass the 3000 new laws and the poor couldnt....he also introduced into law the evil that is political correctness....he did it solely to gain short term votes from the more stupid people in the gay voters and the more naive women voters....he passed laws that are simply biased against males. period. now men kill themselves at 4 times the rate and lose 80% of divorces and their kids and homes...all towards a corrupt false biased dogma , you cannot have equality in law unless its equal for all

[ElProximo]

Who here has called the police to report Richard Dawkins for 'hateful' opinions about a religious group?
He needs to be arrested as his comments against the Jewish and Christians people's books and beliefs are HORRIFIC, Brutal and made many feel really really BAD!

I encourage everyone to start reporting any and all hateful things they heard that made them feel very bad or hurt their feelings.

BTW: Keep in mind, Twitter is a privately owned company with their own internal rules. SO how UK police can override that is even MORE HORRIFYING than ever.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

why is cruelty against gay people or against women treated as more serious than against hetrosexual men...ARE YOU AWARE THAT MALE SUICIDES ARE 4 TIMES HIGHER THAN FEMALE SUICIDES IN EVERY NATION ON THE PLANET? WHAT ABOUT THE ENDLESS SEXIST POISON SPOUTED AGAINST MEN 24 HOURS A DAY? WHAT EFFECT DOES THAT HAVE ON THESE YOUNG MEN? WHAT EFFECT DOES THE LAW HAVE ON YOUNG MEN? WHO LOSE CONTACT WITH THEIR KIDS, WHO GETS FALSELY ACCUSED OF ALL SORTS, WHO GET LIED TO THEY ARE FATHERS WHEN THEYRE NOT, WHO GO TO FIGHT IN POINTLESS WARS, GET PAID PEANUTS THEN DO NOT EVEN HAVE 1 MILITARY HOSPITAL TO TREAT THEM AND SIMPLY GET DISCARDED WHEN THEY RETURN INJURED AND DISABLED FOR LIFE....SORRY BUT THE ODD IGNORANT WORD ON TWITTER IS TRIVIAL IN COMPARISM BUT MALE DISCRIMIANTION AND MISANDRY SUFFERING IS TOTALLY IGNORED BY EVERYONE ESPECIALLY THE POLICE

I think all cruelty and bullying is wrong.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

BTW: Keep in mind, Twitter is a privately owned company with their own internal rules. SO how UK police can override that is even MORE HORRIFYING than ever.

It sounds like Iran.

[jet]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Who here has called the police to report Richard Dawkins for 'hateful' opinions about a religious group?
He needs to be arrested as his comments against the Jewish and Christians people's books and beliefs are HORRIFIC, Brutal and made many feel really really BAD!

I encourage everyone to start reporting any and all hateful things they heard that made them feel very bad or hurt their feelings.

BTW: Keep in mind, Twitter is a privately owned company with their own internal rules. SO how UK police can override that is even MORE HORRIFYING than ever.

You still haven't answered my question - is bullying in schools/the workplace okay in the name of free speech, in your opinion?

[rinkydinkpanther]

Originally Posted by jet

I think all cruelty and bullying is wrong.

so do I but bullying against straight males is ignored by society , thats why so many young men kill themselves

[jet]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

so do I but bullying against straight males is ignored by society , thats why so many young men kill themselves

It's probably ignored because they aren't a minority group, rightly or wrongly. I agree than men, especially young men are given a bad rap and are being failed currently in our society.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by jet

You still haven't answered my question - is bullying in schools/the workplace okay in the name of free speech, in your opinion?

No, it is not. Workplaces and schools have internal rules and codes of conduct. What is your point?
I'm starting to believe you are bullying me and thinking of reporting you for an arrest in your home tonight.
So please stop bullying and what are you on about?

[jet]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No, it is not. Workplaces and schools have internal rules and codes of conduct. What is your point?
I'm starting to believe you are bullying me and thinking of reporting you for an arrest in your home tonight.
So please stop bullying and what are you on about?

So you only support free speech if you can get away with it, otherwise it is not appropriate? Isn't that ironic?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by jet

So you only support free speech if you can get away with it? Isn't that ironic?

Uh, yes actually I support everyone *getting away with free speech.
*getting away = not being arrested and charged with criminal offenses or being censored either.

BTW: Not only when I was in school but as an adult I have DESTROYED bullies. Absolutely destroyed them.
What I did was use my free speech, my thoughts and ideas to say some very pointed words that really really hurt bullies feelings. Made them feel ashamed and experience hurt emotions for bullying.

You think about that for a while before replying please. Think of what I just told you.

[newsbb]

ive read far more offensive tweets coming from brainless biber fans...

[jet]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Uh, yes actually I support everyone *getting away with free speech.
*getting away = not being arrested and charged with criminal offenses or being censored either.

BTW: Not only when I was in school but as an adult I have DESTROYED bullies. Absolutely destroyed them.
What I did was use my free speech, my thoughts and ideas to say some very pointed words that really really hurt bullies feelings. Made them feel ashamed and experience hurt emotions for bullying.

You think about that for a while before replying please. Think of what I just told you.

I don't get it. You now say you destroyed people for using their right to free speech (in your opinion) by using YOUR free speech. Are you saying they can only have free speech if you agree with what they say or do? I thought you disagreed with censorship? Confused as I am, I nevertheless applaud you for standing up to bullies - go on Twitter and do the same to the bullies there who you defended for having a right to free speech.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't get it. You now say you destroyed people for using their right to free speech (in your opinion) by using YOUR free speech. Are you saying they can only have free speech if you agree with what they say or do? I thought you disagreed with censorship? Confused as I am, I nevertheless applaud you for standing up to bullies - go on Twitter and do the same to the bullies there who you defended for having a right to free speech.

It's scary as hell.. and makes you a serious threat to freedom when you 'dont get' how I used MY free speech to destroy and rebut and dismantle the offenders free speech.
It's genuinely disturbing that this is so confusing you can't understand if I'm endorsing censorship of 'bullies'.

BTW: 'Bully' (from where I come from) indicates some physical threat. We are not discussing this.
We are discussing (for example) a Muslim who goes to the park saying some Jew is a 'pig' and that he hates that Jew and thinks that guy is a subhuman.
Not actually physically intimidating or threatening some violence etc.

If you are talking about 'bullying' in terms of physical threats of violence, force etc then you have a 'crime' (REGARDLESS of what their 'opinion' or 'mean words' are.

BTW.. I already saw a bit of this getting leaked online. I recommend people stay OUT of the UK (especially during the Olympics) where they could be arrested IF they make 'mean comments' on Twitter.
(even if Twitter allows really mean comments).
That is way too dangerous and scary to be inside a country where that kind of Gestapo 'Think Speak Crime' can result in government arrests.

[jyunga]

"racially-aggravated public order offence"

Public Order offences

fear or provocation of violence (Section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986)
intentional harassment, alarm or distress (Section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986)
harassment, alarm or distress (Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986)



Maybe he posted on twitter racial slurs and how he was going to do things to her when she got out?

[Shaun]

Total idiot. Would rather this just resulted in a ban from Twitter, or limited internet access, rather than an arrest though.

[smeagol]

have to be haveful what you say online these days. its mad. they arrest for a twitter comment. yet what conor said in the house is ok. normally he'd be arrested.
people are so ignorant she's indian not pakistan as far as i know plus most indians dont like them either. so they so dumb lol

[Redway]

I wondered how long it would be before the TiBB free speech supporters turned up.

You may have free speech within reason, but we may not have the most abusive, ill thought-out ridiculous views that enters someone's mind to be expressed. If you don't draw the line at abuse, where will you draw it at? Murder?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Redway

I wondered how long it would be before the TiBB free speech supporters turned up.

You may have free speech within reason, but we may not have the most abusive, ill thought-out ridiculous views that enters someone's mind to be expressed. If you don't draw the line at abuse, where will you draw it at? Murder?

I want you to consider what you just wrote: You wrote 'I wondered how long the TiBB speech supporters'
As if we all know there is some crazy 'free speech' people. Those guys again! As opposed to what? Then we find out. You.

You decided free speech 'within reason' and went on to suppose, free speech, somehow taken to it's logical conclusion would end in murder.
No.
Actually no. It would not.
But if you want an example of what happens when you have a government that actually controls what can be 'said' and deems what is bad think-speak and disallows, censors and eliminates 'really mean words'?
Former Yugoslavia did that. (Just a the UK is now copying) and the inability of people to settle battles with words led to some of the most horrific ethnic cleansing and revenge murders Europe has ever seen,
well, not counting millions murdered in the Soviet era where 'bad words' were outlawed.
North Korea also has laws against 'speaking bad insults'.

I mean seriously, I wish you could understand just how downright HORRIFYING it is that you could even be talking like you are,
absolutely horrifying!
Maybe we can make some laws to have you arrested for saying such offensive things that really insulted my culture?

[Shaun]

How the living **** does murder have anything to do with free speech, Redway?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Shaun

How the living **** does murder have anything to do with free speech, Redway?

I have to admit that was a bit melodramatic and taken up in the heat of the moment, but surely you can see what I mean. My point is that it's ridiculous people trying to defend people abusing a housemate just because they don't like her skin colour.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I want you to consider what you just wrote: You wrote 'I wondered how long the TiBB speech supporters'
As if we all know there is some crazy 'free speech' people. Those guys again! As opposed to what? Then we find out. You.

You decided free speech 'within reason' and went on to suppose, free speech, somehow taken to it's logical conclusion would end in murder.
No.
Actually no. It would not.
But if you want an example of what happens when you have a government that actually controls what can be 'said' and deems what is bad think-speak and disallows, censors and eliminates 'really mean words'?
Former Yugoslavia did that. (Just a the UK is now copying) and the inability of people to settle battles with words led to some of the most horrific ethnic cleansing and revenge murders Europe has ever seen,
well, not counting millions murdered in the Soviet era where 'bad words' were outlawed.
North Korea also has laws against 'speaking bad insults'.

I mean seriously, I wish you could understand just how downright HORRIFYING it is that you could even be talking like you are,
absolutely horrifying!
Maybe we can make some laws to have you arrested for saying such offensive things that really insulted my culture?

To be honest, I'm not on about the murder thing and I shouldn't have said that. Of course you're allowed free speech within reason, but once it borders abuse and all that nonsense that's exactly where you draw the line. No one should have to put up with all that crap from a couple of idiots who are sad enough to waste their energy on someone they supposedly hate that much.