[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

The difference is, Aaron had a few strong, trustworthy, supportive, friendships. So didn't feel as alone. Deana has a couple of friends but none are trustworthy, or very supportive. Not many are in that house.

Being 60 and having been to school and Uni, I learned what are basically called the 3 r,s which are reading righting and rithmatic. So if I am being sounded out as a thicky that cant read, let me look at your post.

Firstly you say she has a couple of friends but none are trustworthy or supportive. I myself would not clasify anyone a friend if I couldnt trust them or rely on their support,maybe you surround yourself with such people but in general the public dont, ergo she has a problem, so if she has only 2 PEOPLE that she cant trust or who dont support her, by definition, SHE HAS NO FRIENDS.

Now would you like to re phrase your statement so i can read it as it should be written i will be glad to answer your post. What you probably meant to say was she dosent have any true friends, just people she dosent trust who dont support her. Actually we are back to square one, she still dosent have any friends does she, lol.

Mr Wong once again you earned the title MR WRONG.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Fair point. But no one is asking him to actually let his guard down and be friends with her, I get that he doesn't like her and thats fine (even though he doesn't have an actual reason other than her nomianting him waaaay back when) but I think a lot of people could actually be civil with someone they don't like, I wouldn't be jumping up to have a huge discussion with someone I supposedly hate but I wouldn't be bitching about them constantly either and then shouting at them when it's revealed that they've also bitched about me...once If I'd done it a lot more.

Tbh if it was me I probably would try because I think it'd be pretty crap spending so long in there with someone you don't even feel you can speak to, but then I suppose we all have different ways of handling our conflicts with other people so if he feels it's best to stay completely out of her way I guess that's up to him

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Tbh if it was me I probably would try because I think it'd be pretty crap spending so long in there with someone you don't even feel you can speak to, but then I suppose we all have different ways of handling our conflicts with other people so if he feels it's best to stay completely out of her way I guess that's up to him

I would too and all I'm trying to say is, he can dislike her but he should have a legitimate reason to go on with her the way he has. The fact that he can't even listen to her calmly explaining why she said what she did just shows how childish he is. He thinks he's above it all when he is worse than her for the way he bitches on, he can dish it out but can't take it and the fact that he dishes it out to a woman is even worse.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So you should only be civil to people you don't and never have gotten along with if you have no friends? That isn't really Conor's fault that she feels quite lonely, although I'd say she's still on good terms with quite a lot of them in there; Sara, Lauren, Scott, Adam, Luke A, even Luke S to some extent

Where did i say that?

You said it shouldn't be difficult for Deana to ignore Conor as Aaron did it last year with Jay? I'm saying it's alot more difficult..

Avoiding Jay was easy for Aaron to do because he had good people to spend time with. Deana finds ignoring Conor much harder because she hasn't got good people to distract her and spend lots of time with. Eg Aaron and Faye spent loads of time together away from the group.

[Gillian-73]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Maybe, just maybe it's because she nommed him on Day 1 after 20 minutes......

She had to it was a part of the game. He wasn't evicted so should let it go! Imagine if roles were reversed and he had to nom on day one picked Deana and she still held a grudge now.... i can imagine. He is a hypocrite at the best of times, not that i can recall any best times!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

I would too and all I'm trying to say is, he can dislike her but he should have a legitimate reason to go on with her the way he has. The fact that he can't even listen to her calmly explaining why she said what she did just shows how childish he is. He thinks he's above it all when he is worse than her for the way he bitches on, he can dish it out but can't take it and the fact that he dishes it out to a woman is even worse.

Fair enough, I agree he's too proud in a way, I think he is in a way wary of letting his guard down at all with her because he feels he can't trust her

Originally Posted by MrWong

Where did i say that?

You said it shouldn't be difficult for Deana to ignore Conor as Aaron did it last year with Jay? I'm saying it's alot more difficult..

Avoiding Jay was easy for Aaron to do because he had good people to spend time with. Deana finds ignoring Conor much harder because she hasn't got good people to distract her and spend lots of time with. Eg Aaron and Faye spent loads of time together away from the group.

Nah I meant the other way round lol, that Conor is just trying to do the same tactic as Aaron by keeping out the way of the person he's in conflict with, and has seemed to manage it fine so far

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fair enough, I agree he's too proud in a way, I think he is in a way wary of letting his guard down at all with her because he feels he can't trust her.

And he is entitled to feel that way but she shouldn't be made to feel the way she has over the last six weeks because he can't let 1 little hiccup go. If he can't trust her then he should just keep her off his mind, suck it up and just try and enjoy himself, she's not harming him in anyway but he acts as if she's going around stabbing kittens or something, she has done nothing to prove that she's sly or manipulative.

I know this will be brought up so I'll save us time...Yes, she told Benedict that Arron called him boring, perhaps she heard him wrong, but she wanted to tell someone who she considered a possible friend that someone was talking about him behind his back, it gave Arron and Benedict the chance to have an actual conversation and almost clear the air.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Being 60 and having been to school and Uni, I learned what are basically called the 3 r,s which are reading righting and rithmatic. So if I am being sounded out as a thicky that cant read, let me look at your post.

Firstly you say she has a couple of friends but none are trustworthy or supportive. I myself would not clasify anyone a friend if I couldnt trust them or rely on their support,maybe you surround yourself with such people but in general the public dont, ergo she has a problem, so if she has only 2 PEOPLE that she cant trust or who dont support her, by definition, SHE HAS NO FRIENDS.

Now would you like to re phrase your statement so i can read it as it should be written i will be glad to answer your post. What you probably meant to say was she dosent have any true friends, just people she dosent trust who dont support her. Actually we are back to square one, she still dosent have any friends does she, lol.

Mr Wong once again you earned the title MR WRONG.

I differentiated between friends and strong, trustworthy etc.. friends.
Perhaps i should have said friends in the context of BB.

If you don't get that i mean't friend in the context of a reality TV show but would rather assume sh!t about my life then go ahead. It's high school debate and it's getting boring as it's in most of your posts.

Being all smug has made you look like a bit of a plonker.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

And he is entitled to feel that way but she shouldn't be made to feel the way she has over the last six weeks because he can't let 1 little hiccup go. If he can't trust her then he should just keep her off his mind, suck it up and just try and enjoy himself, she's not harming him in anyway but he acts as if she's going around stabbing kittens or something, she has done nothing to prove that she's sly or manipulative.

I know this will be brought up so I'll save us time...Yes, she told Benedict that Arron called him boring, perhaps she heard him wrong, but she wanted to tell someone who she considered a possible friend that someone was talking about him behind his back, it gave Arron and Benedict the chance to have an actual conversation and almost clear the air.

I don't really agree with this, just off the top of my head there's been (as you just mentioned now) the Benedict/Arron thing, she seemed far too eager to tell Benedict in front of quite a few people that Arron had called him "boring" when all he had said was that Benedict was too intelligent for him and a lot of what he said went over his head. I'd say that also showed Benedict up a bit and was unfair on both of them. Then you had the moment where just because she'd had a disagreement with Arron she tried to land him in it and cause friction between him and Luke S, that was quite petty really. Then of course there's the incident a couple of nights ago where she goes to Adam knowing he's one of Lauren's closest friends and tries to stir things, then two minutes later she's sat with Shievonne, who she's just nominated and had a big argument with. scheming away. Anyway basically I think there are valid reasons to distrust Deana, and I'd say that's reflected in that a lot of the housemates also have their reservations about her

I don't think Conor's dislike of her is purely because she nominated him either, at the time he actually took it the best out of the three of them, but I would say that definitely set them off the wrong foot and so from them on anything she's done has maybe seemed worse than it is in his eyes. I don't try and say Conor ir by any means perfect btw, he's got plenty of faults and there's plenty of reason to dislike him, but I also don't think he's the monster he's made out to be, and I definitely think he's a good housemate, else he wouldn't provoke such a strong reaction

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I differentiated between friends and strong, trustworthy etc.. friends.
Perhaps i should have said friends in the context of BB.

If you don't get that i mean't friend in the context of a reality TV show but would rather assume sh!t about my life then go ahead. It's high school debate and it's getting boring as it's in most of your posts.

Being all smug has made you look like a bit of a plonker.

I would rather look like a smug plonker if I was right, making me just ''right'', than someone that made no sence making your point moot.

Look up friend in the dictionary and then look up fellow contestant. Deana has fellow contestants and no friends. Your life is not in this debate as neither is mine, we are debating 2 HM,s please dont make this personal, it would detract from the purpose of the forum and its rules.

[ransom]

Conor gets the tit on and stomps off screaming when BB announce Deana has broken rules by discussing Conor and nominations. Conor is a hypocritical caveman as he has been done about 7 times for discussing nominations now. Even getting the whole house punished for it at least twice I believe?

He takes all his anger out on her because it's easier than accepting what a disgusting "man" he is.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Videostar

“Get your epilator, stick it up your arse, we don’t give a ******, because we’re gunna ******ing smash your face…I’ll give her a fun game, I’ll stick this up her ******ing m**ge the stupid bastard. I’ll give her a ******ing epilator. I’m going to play loads of pranks on her because she’s a ******ing piece of sh*t and I don’t give a ****** if I get pulled up to the diary room…if she threw water over me, I’d punch her in the face, just knock her out.”

Just in case some BB fans are forgetting his vile rant about Deana.

I'm certainly not forgetting it. Neither are many people here in N.Ireland, where I am also from. We are ashamed of him and his 'rant' - and it's even been picked up by many local papers as an embarrassment.
Conor went on that 'rant' after the 'eating' challenge when he thought Deana lost them the task (wrongly!) But since then he has repeatedly broken rules about noms and gotten HM's punished and hasn't shown any remorse whatsoever. What double standards! His mantra is 'I don't give a ****'. In other words, he can do what he likes and get away with it, but God forbid if Deana does anything remotely wrong.
I'm not a Deana fan but that doesn't stop me loathing Conor and his treatment of her. He's a nasty, foul mouthed oaf, IMO, and I'm ashamed that he is representing our little part of the world, which is so rarely represented on BB.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm certainly not forgetting it. Neither are many people here in N.Ireland, where I am also from. We are ashamed of him and his 'rant' - and it's even been picked up by many local papers as an embarrassment.
Conor went on that 'rant' after the 'eating' challenge when he thought Deana lost them the task (wrongly!) But since then he has repeatedly broken rules about noms and gotten HM's punished and hasn't shown any remorse whatsoever. What double standards! His mantra is 'I don't give a ****'. In other words, he can do what he likes and get away with it, but God forbid if Deana does anything remotely wrong.
I'm not a Deana fan but that doesn't stop me loathing Conor and his treatment of her. He's a nasty, foul mouthed oaf, IMO, and I'm ashamed that he is representing our little part of the world, which is so rarely represented on BB.

Well said Jet.

No one believes that Conor is typical of people from N.Ireland.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Well said Jet.

No one believes that Conor is typical of people from N.Ireland.

Thanks! I certainly hope not. If some people think he has 'Irish Charm' (as has been mentioned) then they need to look 'charm' up in the dictionary. He is as far from charming as anyone can get, Irish or otherwise.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by jet

Thanks! I certainly hope not. If some people think he has 'Irish Charm' (as has been mentioned) then they need to look 'charm' up in the dictionary. He is as far from charming as anyone can get, Irish or otherwise.

But sadly to the Ashleigh's of this world (and there are many) Conor is stylish and a total gentleman.

[erinp5]

Wel done Vids .We need to keep highlighting this thug.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by jet

Thanks! I certainly hope not. If some people think he has 'Irish Charm' (as has been mentioned) then they need to look 'charm' up in the dictionary. He is as far from charming as anyone can get, Irish or otherwise.

The question I have is if anyone is speaking up directly to that contingent of Irish supporters to confront them? Of course it's not all of NI, or all of Derry, but it's well organized, originating with his own family and friends, as well as his girlfriend's family and friends, all using the battle cry that he's just a good Irish boy and that intelligent Irish people know he was just joking, so should all support him. When he's saved, they blanket fb and Twitter to proclaim that it's the Irish vote that saved him.

That claim is going to continue on, and continue to be quoted, in or out of context, until someone can get them to stop making it.

[Vanessa]

[QUOTE=MTVN;5307201]I don't really agree with this, just off the top of my head there's been (as you just mentioned now) the Benedict/Arron thing, she seemed far too eager to tell Benedict in front of quite a few people that Arron had called him "boring" when all he had said was that Benedict was too intelligent for him and a lot of what he said went over his head. I'd say that also showed Benedict up a bit and was unfair on both of them. Then you had the moment where just because she'd had a disagreement with Arron she tried to land him in it and cause friction between him and Luke S, that was quite petty really. Then of course there's the incident a couple of nights ago where she goes to Adam knowing he's one of Lauren's closest friends and tries to stir things, then two minutes later she's sat with Shievonne, who she's just nominated and had a big argument with. scheming away. Anyway basically I think there are valid reasons to distrust Deana, and I'd say that's reflected in that a lot of the housemates also have their reservations about her

I don't think Conor's dislike of her is purely because she nominated him either, at the time he actually took it the best out of the three of them, but I would say that definitely set them off the wrong foot and so from them on anything she's done has maybe seemed worse than it is in his eyes. I don't try and say Conor ir by any means perfect btw, he's got plenty of faults and there's plenty of reason to dislike him, but I also don't think he's the monster he's made out to be, and I definitely think he's a good housemate, else he wouldn't provoke such a strong reaction[/QUOT

I agree with this 100%. Deana is sly and manipulative. I'm glad Conor is staying away from her. I would too if i was in there.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I would rather look like a smug plonker if I was right, making me just ''right'', than someone that made no sence making your point moot.

Look up friend in the dictionary and then look up fellow contestant. Deana has fellow contestants and no friends. Your life is not in this debate as neither is mine, we are debating 2 HM,s please dont make this personal, it would detract from the purpose of the forum and its rules.

Why would i need to? Not my fault that you are deliberately mis-reading my posts still even after explaining 'friend' in the context of BB.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Why would i need to? Not my fault that you are deliberately mis-reading my posts still even after explaining 'friend' in the context of BB.

I have spent a great deal of time going through your posts and instead of trying to justify myself and explain away your incacuracies, suffice it to say that your submission to EVERYONE NOT ONLY ME, are based on Cherry picks on words here and there and sentences that can be disected and have double meanings. Your arguments are weak in all cases and you offer no tangible defence of any of your vitriolic posts against other members.

It would appear that no matter where I go, you follow, you read my post no matter what it is, you pick out little bits, then you post a wind up statement. I have no personal problems with you, nor do I wish to get into a slagging war with you, so lets both agree to disagree and you can go on loving and supporting Deana and I will go on defending Conor.

It is obvious to all who has the harder job due to the sheer volume of bloopers he is making but the main difference in my defence of him is he is doing his dirty laundry in the open, your girl has a secret hidden agenda that people like you have been taken in by and it wont become aparent till its all over like Aaron last year.

I wish you well in all future posts but I think its time you left me alone and found someone else to poke. We should both agree that the HM that remains in the house the longest or survives the most evictions should be regarded as the winner. Enough said as I have better things to do than argue with you as there seems no end to this tit for tat you offer.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I have spent a great deal of time going through your posts and instead of trying to justify myself and explain away your incacuracies, suffice it to say that your submission to EVERYONE NOT ONLY ME, are based on Cherry picks on words here and there and sentences that can be disected and have double meanings. Your arguments are weak in all cases and you offer no tangible defence of any of your vitriolic posts against other members.

It would appear that no matter where I go, you follow, you read my post no matter what it is, you pick out little bits, then you post a wind up statement. I have no personal problems with you, nor do I wish to get into a slagging war with you, so lets both agree to disagree and you can go on loving and supporting Deana and I will go on defending Conor.

It is obvious to all who has the harder job due to the sheer volume of bloopers he is making but the main difference in my defence of him is he is doing his dirty laundry in the open, your girl has a secret hidden agenda that people like you have been taken in by and it wont become aparent till its all over like Aaron last year.

I wish you well in all future posts but I think its time you left me alone and found someone else to poke. We should both agree that the HM that remains in the house the longest or survives the most evictions should be regarded as the winner. Enough said as I have better things to do than argue with you as there seems no end to this tit for tat you offer.

Ah yes, this secret hidden agenda that you keep harping on about but won't elaborate on. Convenient for you that it won't become apparent till it's over.

If i decide to reply to one of your posts i will. Reply back or ignore. Your choice.

[Petershaw1984]

Ive never forgotten what he said and i spent about 15 quid trying to save shiv (who i hate) just to get the charmless racist sexist ugly fathead out

[Marcus.]

When the 4 way vote I voted 20 time to save becky and put some for deana to get out conor

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't really agree with this, just off the top of my head there's been (as you just mentioned now) the Benedict/Arron thing, she seemed far too eager to tell Benedict in front of quite a few people that Arron had called him "boring" when all he had said was that Benedict was too intelligent for him and a lot of what he said went over his head. I'd say that also showed Benedict up a bit and was unfair on both of them. Then you had the moment where just because she'd had a disagreement with Arron she tried to land him in it and cause friction between him and Luke S, that was quite petty really. Then of course there's the incident a couple of nights ago where she goes to Adam knowing he's one of Lauren's closest friends and tries to stir things, then two minutes later she's sat with Shievonne, who she's just nominated and had a big argument with. scheming away. Anyway basically I think there are valid reasons to distrust Deana, and I'd say that's reflected in that a lot of the housemates also have their reservations about her

I don't think Conor's dislike of her is purely because she nominated him either, at the time he actually took it the best out of the three of them, but I would say that definitely set them off the wrong foot and so from them on anything she's done has maybe seemed worse than it is in his eyes. I don't try and say Conor ir by any means perfect btw, he's got plenty of faults and there's plenty of reason to dislike him, but I also don't think he's the monster he's made out to be, and I definitely think he's a good housemate, else he wouldn't provoke such a strong reaction

Excellent post, a balanced and fair one too, I totally agree.

[Petershaw1984]

Hey conor is a good housemate but just a hateful one aswell