[kistar]

Everyone is so hot on racism being bad , however is it ok then to judge some one , make assumptions about them because of their background and the way they talk? In my opinion they are essentially the same , obviously classism is much more acceptable.But with that in mind let's get the whole racism thing in perspective , if we can call Caroline a stuck up bitch , then surely it's ok to mention the fact that the people who worked in Scotts fathers Indian restaurant ate with their hands?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by kistar

Everyone is so hot on racism being bad , however is it ok then to judge some one , make assumptions about them because of their background and the way they talk? In my opinion they are essentially the same , obviously classism is much more acceptable.But with that in mind let's get the whole racism thing in perspective , if we can call Caroline a stuck up bitch , then surely it's ok to mention the fact that the people who worked in Scotts fathers Indian restaurant ate with their hands?

He has a point.

[Livia]

Two wrongs don't make a right. However, these are two separate issues.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Livia

Two wrongs don't make a right. However, these are two separate issues.

How are they?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kistar

How are they?

Seriously, if you need me to explain it to you, then it would take far too long.

[kistar]

Both are discriminating minority groups, so how are they different?

[Livia]

Like I said... if you really don't know, you should have paid more attention at school.

[JamesBond]

What the hell are talking about? I know you want to make a point, but try to make a valid one.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Livia

Seriously, if you need me to explain it to you, then it would take far too long.

Which leads me to think you can't explain it . Maybe we judge people people ,yes , however it doesn't mean that judgement is so far reaching it could affect an individuals self worth or the right to equality its just something we do based on our beliefs and experiences of the minority group in question.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

What the hell are talking about? I know you want to make a point, but try to make a valid one.

To me it's very valid.

[Marmalite]

LOL

Caroline isn't a stuck up bitch. If she was she definitely would align herself with the likes of Thugly or Ashleigh.

But she is a well educated, childish, manipulating, wild-haired brat of a girl who has a very calculating mind and well off parents.

....and she makes great BB viewing!





(pssst... I'd give up now and slink out of the thread quietly if I was you.)

[Jezzy]

Classism is to do with attitudes and the perception of social standing. It's mutable.

Racism is an attack by one race on another due to immutable characteristics.

Very simplistic, but you can see the difference.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by kistar

Everyone is so hot on racism being bad , however is it ok then to judge some one , make assumptions about them because of their background and the way they talk? In my opinion they are essentially the same , obviously classism is much more acceptable.But with that in mind let's get the whole racism thing in perspective , if we can call Caroline a stuck up bitch , then surely it's ok to mention the fact that the people who worked in Scotts fathers Indian restaurant ate with their hands?

Can we?

Carolwhine has plenty of bad points. I've not seen anyone on the forum mug her off for being stuck up. Anyway, you aren't comparing like with like.

Has anyone in the house been classist regarding Carolwhine and got away with it? I've not seen it and if it's not happened then how can you come to the conclusion that it's "much more acceptable"?

[kistar]

I think people on the forum can be classist , and make assumptions about Caroline based on where they think she comes from and the privileged life she has potentially had, it seems to invoke great emotion . I do think that colours some peoples view point of her , I really like her, I do find it fascinating that people literally hate her and wonder as to whether it could be because of what she represents as opposed to her actions in the house. This is a pondering of mine not a statement.

[Jezzy]

I think it's probably a mixture of both, kistar. People genuinely loved Harry / Ben / Freddie, yet they were all upper class or upper-middle-class housemates. I think that she is absolutely nasty, and to me, it is almost as though people are looking for a peg to hang that behaviour on. I don't think any of her haters try to make excuses for her actions based upon her privileged upbringing. On the other hand though, that may colour their disdain.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Classism is to do with attitudes and the perception of social standing. It's mutable.

Racism is an attack by one race on another due to immutable characteristics.

Very simplistic, but you can see the difference.

I hear what you are saying , but potentially people's beliefs are immutable and they create perceptions that lead to one group attacking or discriminating against another.

[King Gizzard]

You can't help your skin colour, you can help your class..

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by kistar

How are they?

Because when you say Caroline is stuck up you are talking of your experience of observing that particular individual.
In Scott's case he implied that a specific group of people ate with their hands. He was labelling a whole nation he had no knowledge of.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

I think it's probably a mixture of both, kistar. People genuinely loved Harry / Ben / Freddie, yet they were all upper class or upper-middle-class housemates. I think that she is absolutely nasty, and to me, it is almost as though people are looking for a peg to hang that behaviour on. I don't think any of her haters try to make excuses for her actions based upon her privileged upbringing. On the other hand though, that may colour their disdain.

Yes people did love Harry/Ben and Freddy didn't they , I don't know why I can't see the nastiness in her , its really weird, maybe it's me that's weird?????

[kistar]

Originally Posted by boomoo

Because when you say Caroline is stuck up you are talking of your experience of observing that particular individual.
In Scott's case he implied that a specific group of people ate with their hands. He was labelling a whole nation he had no knowledge of.

Ok that does make sense , although how is it bad to eat with your hands?

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by kistar

I hear what you are saying , but potentially people's beliefs are immutable and they create perceptions that lead to one group attacking or discriminating against another.

I agree with you to a point. The biggest barriers to people accepting one another for who and what they are are ignorance and indoctrination. I'm not convinced that people's beliefs are necessarily immutable, but they are ingrained. All I really mean is that you can be born with the biggest silver spoon of all in your mouth, yet still be judged purely on your actions. An upper-class born junkie appears to me as a junkie. If you're a different race, you are more likely to be pre-judged upon that rather than by your actions by those that discriminate.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Nathan

You can't help your skin colour, you can help your class..

nice pic broooooce lol

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

I agree with you to a point. The biggest barriers to people accepting one another for who and what they are are ignorance and indoctrination. I'm not convinced that people's beliefs are necessarily immutable, but they are ingrained. All I really mean is that you can be born with the biggest silver spoon of all in your mouth, yet still be judged purely on your actions. An upper-class born junkie appears to me as a junkie. If you're a different race, you are more likely to be pre-judged upon that rather than by your actions by those that discriminate.

Ok that does make sense .

[Jezzy]

Btw kistar, I don't think you're remotely weird for not seeing the nastiness in her. Perception is a very personal thing.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Btw kistar, I don't think you're remotely weird for not seeing the nastiness in her. Perception is a very personal thing.

Thank you xxxx