[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I voted for Obama, i thought he was gonna fix it.

despite the doom and gloom obama has done a far better job than the british government, hes at leats taken general motors back to the top, heathcare to the poorest 40 million, invested in roads, manufacturing, stem cell research , hes fined these corrupt corporations and bankers too, british petroleum $35 billion fines, mortgage comapnies $25 billion in february, even goldman sachs fined $550 million last year etc and also made more progress overseas in iraq, afghanistan, libya etc and thankfully avoided iranian conflict so far. hes created 4 million private jobs

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

despite the doom and gloom obama has done a far better job than the british government, hes at leats taken general motors back to the top, heathcare to the poorest 40 million, invested in roads, manufacturing, stem cell research , hes fined these corrupt corporations and bankers too, british petroleum $35 billion fines, mortgage comapnies $25 billion in february, even goldman sachs fined $550 million last year etc and also made more progress overseas in iraq, afghanistan, libya etc and thankfully avoided iranian conflict so far. hes created 4 million private jobs

well when you put it that way... sounds like he did a pretty good job. Maybe i should vote for him again

It doesn't feel like he's done such a great job though. healthcare isn't really any better than it ever was, Guantanamo is still open, he's done nothing to really curb Green House gases or put Amwrica on a new track to working with the rest of the world on reducing greenhouse gases. He came out in favor of gay marriage, but has taken no action to ACTUALLY give gay people equal rights...

I'd never vote for a republican, but i'm not exactly excited to vote for Obama eigther.

He drone strikes civilians all over the world, pisses off the Russians, pisses off the Pakistanis, pisses off everyone, then disappears and sends poor old Hillary in to clean up the mess and take the blame.

I've not been impressed.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well when you put it that way... sounds like he did a pretty good job. Maybe i should vote for him again

It doesn't feel like he's done such a great job though. healthcare isn't really any better than it ever was, Guantanamo is still open, he's done nothing to really curb Green House gases or put Amwrica on a new track to working with the rest of the world on reducing greenhouse gases. He came out in favor of gay marriage, but has taken no action to ACTUALLY give gay people equal rights...

I'd never vote for a republican, but i'm not exactly excited to vote for Obama eigther.

He drone strikes civilians all over the world, pisses off the Russians, pisses off the Pakistanis, pisses off everyone, then disappears and sends poor old Hillary in to clean up the mess and take the blame.

I've not been impressed.

he took over a nightmare from that village idiot who created enemies worldwide. george w oversaw the collapse of the american economy and the US reputation worldwide. obama took the reins and did something massively brave, which wont get rewardfor years. he took the long term decisions to invest in the infrastructure and economy , whilst in the middle of a recession. I run businesses and you simply have to keep reinvesting in order to keep growing. to also pump 850 billion into healthcare fo rthe poorest at such a time was a decision of monumental braveness and morality.. its a delicate balance. obama has slashed state jobs and created 7 private jobs for every public sector job slashed. 4 million new jobs in 18 months...the stock market at its second highest point since 911

there are dozens of bills to deal with guantanamo and banking financial regulations, healthcare amendments all blocked by the republicans....guantanamo is over half closed now and in the next few years should close, obama has fought every step of the way to close it, as it harms the US reputation worldwide. no one is above international law. obama understands that, bush doesnt.

I truly believe obama has done what he said, hes gone through everything with a scalpel....cutting off the dead bits and fine tuning the areas that need help. gay people will get the right to marry , it will take time to hammer a deal, because they want to avoid situations where churches are in court battling for the right to say no. in the end , no matter what the law says, individual churches will make their own decisions. If obama does this right, gay people will be able to marry in any church that allows gay weddings , those who openly forbid gay weddings, will probably be ostracised. but ultimately thats their choice so I think obama will again use his scalpel to find this delicate balance

Theres millions of other groups who need better support too, the disabled are very poorly treated, access to buildings and basic equipment is very very poor in the UK, no doubt its similar in the US too.... ex servicemen in the UK are treated disgracefully. theres only 1 military hospital left? Obama should also look at mens issues, the enormous male suicide rate (4 times that of women) the early mortality rates (4 to 5 years men die younger than women) the tiny amount of support groups for sick men compared to women, fathers rights, men lose over 80% of divorce settlements , in over 80% they lose their children and their home. how can that be fair?

I will read up more on drones. lots of people throw that criticism. the problem is obama is the leader of the free world. the decisions he makes are beyond the comprehension of most people. every decision affects 100s of millions sometimes positively sometimes negatively.

I am also delighted to see he has rolled back the us military but 15% and started to disarm the nuclear arsenal of the US and russia by 40%...hes also ditched the europe wide defence missile systems....this is not a man hell bent on expanding worldwide imperialism imho..his main opponent is the right wing news which is paid for by the corporate giants who have taken over america and pollute your airwaves with their lies , hate, bias and poision...theyve taken to calling obama, the kenyan recently,, patheic

..romney would take you back to bush, maybe worse, Obama needs a second term, he deserves a second term and the US need him to win and follow through with his promise
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