[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by gravity

stop judging him because he does not live up to your expectation. you are patronizing him and its unfair. we all have a right to talk how we want and how do you know how he talked when he was born or young? This "twat" talk is how he talks and how many people talk so can you stop judging him. whats your alternative? learn how to talk like you>

Hes in CBB to be judged, as they all are

[gravity]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Hes in CBB to be judged, as they all are

fair to say, but not over his voice. something I expect not to change. judge his personality, past, even his career.

[JTM45]

I think he's just another talentless has-been, one-hit wonder z-lister!

He blew it with me when he labelled himself as "a real celebrity" over others in there. What a deluded saddo!
He's best known for cheating on Alisha Dixon. What a talented guy!
Harvey my ass! Whoop-de-do sh1t!!!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I think he's just another talentless has-been, one-hit wonder z-lister!

He blew it with me when he labelled himself as "a real celebrity" over others in there. What a deluded saddo!
He's best known for cheating on Alisha Dixon. What a talented guy!
Harvey my ass! Whoop-de-do sh1t!!!

Spot on !! A one hit wonder loser and bighead

[Yayita]

I saw an interesting documentary about how the english language is dying because of slang. They took several cros sections from the US and analyzed language. Sampled Chicanos from Cali, Arizona and new mexico and ebonic samples from the north , New York, Pennsylvania etc.

Basically, The mexicans have mixed english and spanish to form practically an entire new language and the ebonics from the hood has become so popular and trendsetting that you even hear hollywood using it and even white conservatives... which sounds pathetic in them, not belivable at all. I hate when non hood peole talk hood, just doesnt make sense.

[Yayita]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Spot on !! A one hit wonder loser and bighead

So he is basicaly known for that 21 second to go part he sings? Is that all really?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Yayita

So he is basicaly known for that 21 second to go part he sings? Is that all really?

I had never heard of him, but my 18 yr old said ,yes ONE single ,where he was backing singer, Hardly Rod Stewart is he?

[Fosse]

Harvey is OK in my opinion but, yeah, his voice is annoying.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Is it chuff a london accent, its chav Bronx talk,Londoners dont call people "Dude,Homey" they say cock sparrow !!

I can do like a brother do it like a dude.... Lyrics written and sung by Jessie J. A Londoner. Never cock or sparrow.

Tim Westwood Radio 1 DJ and model for Sacha Baron Cohen's Ali G satire is originally from Suffolk but has lived for decades for in London can often be heard using the terms dude homey and "honestly baby I get love out there pure and simple"

.......I can do it like a brother do like a dude.
Grab my crotch wear my hat low like you
I can do it like a brother do like a dude.
Grab my crotch wear my hat low like you

[chuff me dizzy]

How many"get what im saying" did he ram into one sentence tonight ?

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

How many"get what im saying" did he ram into one sentence tonight ?

"ram" is a very street term.
Very London. As in...... "it's very ram in 'ere"
You beginning to sound just like him

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Yayita

So he is basicaly known for that 21 second to go part he sings? Is that all really?

And cheating on Alesha Dixon lol

[reece(:]

To be fair, they're all one hit wonders, big heads, dying for attention and their careers are over.

[Redway]

Not this nonsense again .

Accent has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour. If you're born in a particular region (or have lived there long enough) and hang out with people who have that regional accent, you'll pick up that regional accent. It's that simple. I'm guessing this guy is from Inner City London or Croydon, born and bred there and has hung around with people who speak 'Jafaican' (Multicultural London English, an accent that consists of West Indian toned down by remnants of Cockney).

There are plenty of black people with traditional, working class Cockney accents and plenty of whites who speak 'Jafaican' so that argument simply doesn't work.

To say otherwise - and even go on to call him a 'twat' because of his accent - would be ignorance I can only compare to thinking Canada is a small town in South Yorkshire.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Rubbish. Proper Londoners don't speak like gangsters!? It's an imported fad, fake and idiotic.

Rubbish. It's an actual London accent - most usually spoken by people under 30 from that area.

Originally Posted by Livia

Harvey's voice is affected. I come from London, I know how proper Londoners speak, and that aint it. I know lots of kids who talk like that who's parents are proper Cockney, but the kids speak like little Jamaican gangsters because their friends do. I know black kids who speak like that who's parents speak with a proper east London accent, and more hilariously, I know white kids who speak like that who've never been twenty miles outside the capital.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its not"normal' its chav talk, no one is born talking like a twat

You are. It's a regional accent. It may have only evolved in the past 20 years but it's still a regional accent so I suggest you pick up a book and get your facts right before you start spouting ignorant, offensive bile on here.

In fact, all your posts on this thread have been so ill-informed that you sound more uneducated than you think these people you're describing do.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally Posted by reece(:

To be fair, they're all one hit wonders, big heads, dying for attention and their careers are over.

not mike

he is still famous in the US

hopefully they reveal the amount of money in his bank, that should get danica come out of her shell more.

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Redway

Nonsense. It's an actual London accent - most usually spoken by people under 30 from that area.
Exactly.

You are. It's a regional accent. It may have only evolved in the past 20 years but it's still a regional accent so I suggest you pick up a book and get your facts right before you start spouting ignorant, offensive bile on here.

In fact, all your posts on this thread have been so ill-informed that you sound more uneducated than you think these people you're describing do.

If it's an actual London accent, why is it that I can tell black people talking on the radio when they come out with that shi te accent?

It's horrendous.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ConnieLingus

If it's an actual London accent, why is it that I can tell black people talking on the radio when they come out with that shi te accent?

It's horrendous.

So you're saying that being black people automatically rules them out for speaking with traditional London accents? Wow. You have a long way to go.

I've encountered loads of blacks who have Cockney accents and whites who speak 'Jafaican'. Different people have different accents. Smart people don't take to it automatically. Saying 'how cum I can tell blacks speaking on the radio' is not empirical evidence at all to speak for an entire race. Entirely anecdotal.

As for the 'it's horrendous' bit: so? I personally like the accents and find them quite colourful. It's all down to subjectivity and personal taste as to whether you like these accents but they are London accents. What if I said I don't like Cockney accents? Does that mean that I'd be absolutely justified and incisive in saying that they're not proper London accents?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicu...London_English
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...ns-422688.html
http://dialectblog.com/2011/11/03/mu...ral-london-oo/

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Redway

Not all black people talk with that accent, though. Plenty of whites talk like that. As I said, skin colour doesn't come into accent at all. Fact. End. No discussion here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicu...London_English
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...ns-422688.html
http://dialectblog.com/2011/11/03/mu...ral-london-oo/

When I listen to interviews on radio, it turns out 99% of the time that I can tell by the way they talk, whether they are white or black.

Sorry that goes against your theory.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ConnieLingus

When I listen to interviews on radio, it turns out 99% of the time that I can tell by the way they talk, whether they are white or black.

Sorry that goes against your theory.

Did you actually read my post? What about all the times I've heard white people with the exact same accents as you're describing? Or is that somehow different and are your personal experiences the only substantial ones?

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Redway

Did you actually read my post? What about all the times I've heard white people with the exact same accents as you're describing? Or is that somehow different and are your personal experiences the only substantial ones?

I'm just saying that I can tell 99% of the time whether someone is white or black when they speak on the radio.

Are you saying I'm wrong for some reason?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ConnieLingus

I'm just saying that I can tell 99% of the time whether someone is white or black when they speak on the radio.

Are you saying I'm wrong for some reason?

No I'm not saying you're wrong on that basis. That's your personal experience, which is fine.

What you're wrong in is ascribing that accent towards all black people and I went on to counteract your ridiculous argument that usually only blacks talk like that by using my personal experience and actually substantiating my opinions with actual facts and statistics. I'm yet to see what justification you have for your argument, other than your own personal experience.

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Redway

No I'm not saying you're wrong on that basis. That's your personal experience, which is fine.

What you're wrong in is ascribing that accent towards all black people and I went on to contradict that argument using my personal experience and actually substantiating my opinions with actual facts and statistics. I'm yet to see what justification you have for thinking all blacks talk like that, other than your own personal experience.

I'm not saying all blacks talk like that.

I'm just saying that when I hear someone talk like that, he's usually black.

What's wrong with that, innit?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ConnieLingus

I'm not saying all blacks talk like that.

I'm just saying that when I hear someone talk like that, he's usually black.

What's wrong with that, innit?

What's wrong with that is that there are probably just as many whites as blacks who talk like that so using your own personal experience to make that statement proves nothing. I refer you to the links I posted earlier on this page.

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Redway

What's wrong with that is that there are probably just as many whites as blacks who talk like that

Utter nonsense.

Get a grip. I can distinguish them easily, the vast majority of the time.

Don't talk crap and tell me I can't.