[Liberty4eva]

Big Brother USA Houseguest Dan just might be the best player to ever play the game. After Dan lost the power of veto in the latest BB episode, the whole house was resigned to evicting him. During the veto contest he agreed to take one of the punishments which was 24 hours of solitary confinement. After being released from solitary confinement he would have had only a few hours to do the impossible: convince his enemies who were hell-bent on getting him out to save him. He had 24 hours to come up with a plan to save his Big Brother life and watch and see what happens for yourself. This is why I think BBUSA is a little more interesting.

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[Roy Mars III]

it was always better

[starry]

This episode doesn't prove it's better at all. It was weird and reeked of manipulation I thought. Dan gave that weird performance and then Frank suddenly completely changes his gameplan against the person who he wanted out the most? And Britney apparently becomes Ian's biggest ally ever, I though it was Shane she was close to. Plenty of this didn't make sense. Wonder if the producers had some words in the DR to some people.

The American show is better nowadays, but there is manipulation as well and sometimes it just doesn't feel as believable as it might. The DR entries are just reading a script most of the time. But at least it doesn't have as many airheads as the British has now and perhaps the Australian version too.

[starry]

This episode doesn't prove it's better at all. It was weird and reeked of manipulation I thought. Dan gave that weird performance and then Frank suddenly completely changes his gameplan against the person who he wanted out the most? And Britney apparently becomes Ian's biggest ally ever, I though it was Shane she was close to. Plenty of this didn't make sense. Wonder if the producers had some words in the DR to some people.

The American show is better nowadays, but there is manipulation as well and sometimes it just doesn't feel as believable as it might. The DR entries are just reading a script most of the time. But at least it doesn't have as many airheads as the British has now and perhaps the Australian version too.

[LemonJam]

Mon dieu, I know that BBUS does have manipulation but this was really what happened. People are far too easy to point the manipulation finger this year.

On topic, it's completely... objective? subjective? one of those two. This was probably the best episode so far however even though it was very Joe-less.

[starry]

He was in that solitary room for a day and then when he comes out and gives that ridiculous speech suddenly everything changes? If it was what happened (maybe he used some kind of telepathy on Frank while in solitary lol) then the HGs must be VERY easily manipulated.

American producers do like to make a very simple and inevitable storyline, but it can make it seem way too simple. Britney worries to a strange extent about losing the veto and Dan winning it, suddenly from nowhere Jen is in an alliance with Frank, Dan trashes Danielle but minutes later she's all ok with it and apparently worships him so much the Britney-Shane alliance she has can be thrown away. Dan - a winner in the past - is suddenly someone they all trust, Britney is suddenly a big threat even though Shane and Frank have been winning competitions. Jen actually won 2 recently? Apparently Joe hardly exists anymore.

[Bluerang1]

It's always been better. What's your point? Glorifying Dan?

[Donovan.]

Originally Posted by starry

Dan gave that weird performance and then Frank suddenly completely changes his gameplan against the person who he wanted out the most? And Britney apparently becomes Ian's biggest ally ever, I though it was Shane she was close to. Plenty of this didn't make sense. Wonder if the producers had some words in the DR

The performance was to get Danielle some sympathy for when Britney went up on the block against her, it wasn't to get Frank on his side. And it wasnt about how close Britney was to Ian as much as Ian was to Britney. It wasn't strategic as much as personal on Frank's part.

Originally Posted by starry

He was in that solitary room for a day and then when he comes out and gives that ridiculous speech suddenly everything changes?

Britney worries to a strange extent about losing the veto and Dan winning it, suddenly from nowhere Jen is in an alliance with Frank, Dan trashes Danielle but minutes later she's all ok with it and apparently worships him so much the Britney-Shane alliance she has can be thrown away. Dan - a winner in the past - is suddenly someone they all trust, Britney is suddenly a big threat even though Shane and Frank have been winning competitions.

It was after Frank and Dan's meeting that everything changed, not the funeral. Britney worried about the veto because she knew if Dan won she'd be going up. Jenn never had an alliance, so IMO it isn't strange that she got into one with Frank. Dan did the same thing to Danielle, but on a smaller scale in week 2 when she was nominated with JoJo, so that's why she was "okay" with it, and she's "worshipped" him all along. That's why she cried this week when Frank told her he was coming after Dan. Her alliance with Shane and Britney, hasn't been thrown away in fact

Spoiler:

Shane is voting to keepher

Joe, Shane, Britney, and Ian all still think that Danielle is working with them, so she still has that alliance. And I wouldn't say that Dan is trusted by many people, only Frank, Jenn, and Danielle. Frank trusts him because he exposed Ian's betrayal. And like I said it isn't about Britney being such a threat as much as a personal move by Frank on Ian.

[SoBig]

^^It was also to keep their alliance a secret. He thinks if people think that they aren't a pair anymore that no one would put them up on the block together. People would also feed them information that they won't if they were a pair.

Jenn does NOT TRUST Dan. She told Joe and Danielle several times in the past day that she wants Dan out.

Right now only two people are targeting Dan. Joe and Jenn.


LOL @ anyone thinking that whole thing was fake. It wasn't. That whole thing was about 4 hours long and the producers cut it down to 15 minutes. I watched Dan come up with that whole plan when he was locked up for about 24 hours.

[starry]

I stopped quoting Donovan's post as it looks like it revealed whatever the spoiler was when in edit mode.

Anyway I thought the personal aspect was Frank hating Dan.

I still think Dan's speech was silly, how couldn't anyone be suspicious? It was so over the top. And we'd already been shown that Britney knew he was up to something anyway.

Jen hasn't had a gameplan at all and not she suddenly gets one?

BOOGIE revealed Ian's betrayal lol, not Dan. I don't have a memory that bad.

A bit like the sudden plan to get rid of Janelle and save Boogie after Boogie had been pretty much hated this just doesn't seem to flow with the logic of the program. This is becoming a problem for me in this season. Following the logic of the program Frank should have gone (producers saved him), Boogie should have gone earlier and then Dan should have gone.

[swinearefine]

I hate the strategy aspect of BBUS. And this is the worst season of all time. BBUK >>>> BBUS in every possible way

[Donovan.]

Ian exposed his own betrayal not Boogie, if you're talking about the vote. Dan exposed the QP and Ian's involvement in it, not Boogie. Sure you could say that Frank's nomination of Dan was personal, but strategically he should want to get Dan out since he can talk himself of the block (proved so on the last episode) and not Britney. Although I wouldn't/shouldn't have called it all completely personal since Britney was protected on all sides. That sudden plan to get rid of Janelle only worked because Danielle disliked her so much. That plan saved Frank, not Boogie. Frank was nominated with Ashley, who was vetoed, so that Janelle could be backdoored. You shouldn't be surprised that the show hasn't been following logic, since it changes on such a regular basis.

[SoBig]

^ Wil, not Ashley.

[lostalex]

I don't see what it has to do with BBUK, it's always been impossible to compare them, but i agree it was a great episode. I had no idea any of this was coming, so my jaw literally was on the ground the whole time. Blindsides and total power shifts and backstabbing are always the best part of BBUS (and Survivor).

It'd dumb to compare BBUK with BBUS though. I love them both for very different reasons. I like BBUK for the drama and the arguments, I watch BBUS for the strategy and cut-throat competition aspect.

[Marc]

I already knew it was better than BBUK

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

I hate the strategy aspect of BBUS. And this is the worst season of all time. BBUK >>>> BBUS in every possible way

There is more strategy in this season than the last two combined by a long shot, a loooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg shot.

Saying that BBUSA is better than BBUK is like comparing apple to oranges IMHO

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

I hate the strategy aspect of BBUS. And this is the worst season of all time. BBUK >>>> BBUS in every possible way

Well if you just wanna watch strangers in a house, you can watch the Real World or Jersey Shore.

[Raph]

No. BBUK >BBUSA

But Dan

[Chilltown]

BBUSA > BBUK, all day!

[Slevin]

i like both for different reasons same with BBAU. i like the gameplay of BBUS and the ruthlessness and the drama that comes out of it. i cant really say i like one more than the other but i guess i like BBUS just a bit more.

BB12 is by far the worst BBUS season ever imo. i dont count BB1 since it was so different than the others. even the sucky seasons have their good moments, just not many.

[Macie Lightfoot]

This is worse than BB12. BB1 is better than both of them though.

[Slevin]

BB1 was horrible and super boring imo. the reason they changed the way the game was played the next season (BB2). BB12 was just turrible as well. best good thing i remember from that season the most was Ragan giving Rachel what she deserved. BB12 was boring cause the Brigade had that on lock and it was so predictable cause of that. even the Brigade and Britney said it was awful and really boring after they watched it lol.

this season while not the best had the best first week ever. it was mad crazy and it was entertaining. this week finally a Frank HOH reign was good. the other ones were boring as hell. getting Janelle out the way it happened i was entertained even though at that point i didnt want her to go. Britney even though im not much of a fan had me lmao this season a lot more than her original. Boogie getting f'd over by the QP was a good week also.

[starry]

Also I don't get why Britney at the Veto was saying she was really worried about not winning it, as she thought Dan could be saved and then she would be the replacement. And yet later we are told she was blindsided and shocked she was a replacement. Which was true, or was neither true? There is quite a lot of scripted fake DR commentary in this, so it's hard as a viewer to really know the truth watching the HLs and I find that frustrating.

[Donovan.]

Originally Posted by starry

Also I don't get why Britney at the Veto was saying she was really worried about not winning it, as she thought Dan could be saved and then she would be the replacement. And yet later we are told she was blindsided and shocked she was a replacement. Which was true, or was neither true? There is quite a lot of scripted fake DR commentary in this, so it's hard as a viewer to really know the truth watching the HLs and I find that frustrating.

I remember she told Ian that she really didn't want Shane to win it because she didn't want to be nominated, even if she had the votes. She said no matter what she didn't want to go up.

I don't know why she didn't want to be nominated if she had the votes. But I think that's why she was worried about the veto.

[Raph]

It's just Dan.