[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

I've never had a job and I don't really want one either.. I'd like money but i'm far to self conscious to work in public and would never work somewhere that I thought was 'beneath' me incase anyone I knew saw me. Schools should really be teaching about different jobs, I never knew about jobs that could be done at home, when you leave school it seems like the only options are working in shops/restaurants etc

(i'm not saying shops/restaurants are beneath me )

ie; shops being the retail sector - the one place that people are saying it's so hard to get into.

There is not one thing wrong with working in shops / restaurants - we'd all be missing much if they didn't exist !

Many people start work in such places - it's a great starting place and it's these type of jobs that then show what areas an individual is particularly good at and allows for progression if they so wish.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

ie; shops being the retail sector - the one place that people are saying it's so hard to get into.

There is not one thing wrong with working in shops / restaurants - we'd all be missing much if they didn't exist !

Many people start work in such places - it's a great starting place and it's these type of jobs that then show what areas an individual is particularly good at and allows for progression if they so wish.

Nobody said it was hard to get into

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

If your area of education and experience is retail for example the recession has changed the face of the high street.

Those who were managers in these fields are having to re-train in a different fields or take a large pay cut in lower paid positions.

BIB above suggests that it is hard to find work in the retail field unless you are prepared to accept large pay cuts. I disagree.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Retail's incredibly competitive at the moment since it's everyone's go to option. I remember being told by an advisor around a year ago not to bother with retail unless you have experience since Entry level jobs in the sector are just heavily applied for by everyone and more often then not it tends to be a matter of luck getting a job a shop.

That might only apply to my area though since Retail is definitely the main work option where I live.

Dezzy appears to agree with my own thought that getting retail jobs is not that difficult: mostly due to saturation levels, yet we have another differing opinion below from Zee, that it is difficult to get into.


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Originally Posted by Zee

As a young person I think it can be very difficult to get your foot in the door - a lot of places that are willing to hire young people will only hire those who have had previous experience in that field of work - so for example, how are you to get experience working in retail if you've never worked in retail, and places will only hire you if you've had experience in retail? It's a problem that goes round in circles. I'm currently hunting for part time work now that I'm back at uni and I'm struggling so far - all my work experience has been in offices or working in a school - neither of which are particularly relevant to pulling pints or selling clothes, y'know?

Originally Posted by kizzy

Nobody said it was hard to get into

The above posts, say differently depending on the view.

According to several posters (including your good self) - you can't get into retail - (either at all or at a certain level) unless you have experience or are prepared to drop grade... both of these indicate it is not an easy sector to gain employment..... yet now you are saying no one said it was hard to get into.

Getting a job within the retail sector I do not believe to be a difficult task.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

BIB above suggests that it is hard to find work in the retail field unless you are prepared to accept large pay cuts. I disagree.




Dezzy appears to agree with my own thought that getting retail jobs is not that difficult: mostly due to saturation levels, yet we have another differing opinion below from Zee, that it is difficult to get into.

The above posts, say differently depending on the view.

According to several posters (including your good self) - you can't get into retail - (either at all or at a certain level) unless you have experience or are prepared to drop grade... both of these indicate it is not an easy sector to gain employment..... yet now you are saying no one said it was hard to get into.

Getting a job within the retail sector I do not believe to be a difficult task.[/QUOTE]

I have heard from many people that once made redundant at a retail management level it is hard to gain the same post at the same salary, wether you agree with this or not is irrelevant.
You took what I did say on the subject out of context.
Good for you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

The above posts, say differently depending on the view.

According to several posters (including your good self) - you can't get into retail - (either at all or at a certain level) unless you have experience or are prepared to drop grade... both of these indicate it is not an easy sector to gain employment..... yet now you are saying no one said it was hard to get into.

Getting a job within the retail sector I do not believe to be a difficult task.

I have heard from many people that once made redundant at a retail management level it is hard to gain the same post at the same salary, wether you agree with this or not is irrelevant.

You took what I did say on the subject out of context.

Good for you

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You have 'heard' ... ... not actually experienced - ...... I'm very perplexed then how you are in any position to offer any real validation of what you claim - given that you have not been affected by it - seeing as you have only 'heard'....


I have taken nothing that you have commented on, out of context. I've addressed any of your comments, firmly and head on and without deflection.


What's good for me?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

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You have 'heard' ... ... not actually experienced - ...... I'm very perplexed then how you are in any position to offer any real validation of what you claim - given that you have not been affected by it - seeing as you have only 'heard'....


I have taken nothing that you have commented on, out of context. I've addressed any of your comments, firmly and head on and without deflection.


What's good for me?

Oh... this is getting very boring now. I will not go over the same points for you pyra as I believe you are being deliberately obtuse.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Dezzy appears to agree with my own thought that getting retail jobs is not that difficult: mostly due to saturation levels, yet we have another differing opinion below from Zee, that it is difficult to get into.

Yes that post of mine does seem to agree with yours, as long as you disregard 80% of it and take the two points you highlighted out of context.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes that post of mine does seem to agree with yours, as long as you disregard 80% of it and take the two points you highlighted out of context.

you were the one who said that it's the option that everyone in your town/city goes for Dezzy... jobs in retail. Nothing out of context: your post clearly says that's the preferred option that people go for: and it's difficult not because experience is needed; but because it's the choice everyoe goes for - thus saturation levels are reached: everyone going for the easy option where it is easy to find a job - in shops.

Not a thing wrong with that, but please: let's not have you attempting to backtrack because you happened to agree with me.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

you were the one who said that it's the option that everyone in your town/city goes for Dezzy... jobs in retail. Nothing out of context: your post clearly says that's the preferred option that people go for: and it's difficult not because experience is needed; but because it's the choice everyoe goes for - thus saturation levels are reached: everyone going for the easy option where it is easy to find a job - in shops.

Not a thing wrong with that, but please: let's not have you attempting to backtrack because you happened to agree with me.

Silly Pyramid, you're confusing the preferred option with being the easiest also you've obviously forgotten to read my post since I did mention that unless you have experience then it's difficult to get into retail since you will be cast aside for anyone with previous experience.

It's only easy to get a job in retail as a first job in the right circumstances, like if a company is doing a big recruitment drive or if a job falls under the radar, both of which can be rare.

So yes, retail jobs can be easy to get into in the right circumstances which your argument seems to hinge on but then again that's true for any job, even yours. You found a new job easily because the circumstances were right for you, you could have very well been out of work for a lot longer if things were even a tiny bit different but you were lucky that you managed to find something that fit your circumstances quickly. Not everyone is as lucky as you are and it does seem uncouth to judge an industry or a group of people just because they might not have the same circumstances as you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Silly Pyramid, you're confusing the preferred option with being the easiest also you've obviously forgotten to read my post since I did mention that unless you have experience then it's difficult to get into retail since you will be cast aside for anyone with previous experience.

It's only easy to get a job in retail as a first job in the right circumstances, like if a company is doing a big recruitment drive or if a job falls under the radar, both of which can be rare.

So yes, retail jobs can be easy to get into in the right circumstances which your argument seems to hinge on but then again that's true for any job, even yours. You found a new job easily because the circumstances were right for you, you could have very well been out of work for a lot longer if things were even a tiny bit different but you were lucky that you managed to find something that fit your circumstances quickly. Not everyone is as lucky as you are and it does seem uncouth to judge an industry or a group of people just because they might not have the same circumstances as you.

Still being the antagonist there Dezzy.... !!! LOL ...

Perhaps if you yourself paid more attention to what posters write Dezzy - you will see that I have (repeatedly) referred not only to MY situation, but to others than I also worked with: who are all at diffferent grades, some of whom are still in the first flush of working youth to the more experienced.

Seems a rather large coincedence that we all managed to get 'lucky'.... all got lucky with different companies, all doing different jobs at different grades and all got lucky at the same time, working in different geographical locations and all independently of each other . Hell of a coincedence eh.

Nothing to do with being uncouth: we are 'led to believe' that we are in a society whereby finding good employment is regarded as nigh impossible.

I see that you and others, very keenly skipped over my opening posts by which I stated that I personally was prepared to temp whilst awaiting better opportunities arising - forunately that did not have to be an avenue I had to follow. That's an alternative option to finding employment while still seeking one's preferred choice - perhaps some don't want to even consider such temp work - possibly because some may set their sights to high: or perhaps overvalue themselves. Who knows? Perhaps it's down to having the right attitude?

I've shown that it's not always the case that finding work is extremely difficult - not only in my own personal situation - but those who found themselves on the job hunt at the same time : and very quickly and successfully secured new jobs: and jobs in came with higher salaries... and it is on this premise that I make my points.

I am not saying some do no find it hard to find the ideal position - that is not in dispute - but I do wonder if there are those who simply are not prepared to accept anything that is not their absolute ideal - who are not willing to make any compromises - and then say "There's no jobs to be had".