[Silent Scream]

Originally Posted by jet

Exactly. Martin agrees in a non - committal way with everyone he talks to. He is the biggest fence sitter we have seen in any series in a long time - but in his sneaky, understated manner he has especially gone out of his way to put Julie in the firing line.

There was nothing sneaky or understated about it. He said in no uncertain terms what he thought of Julie. What I object to is he didn't have the balls to back it up with a nomination until the crowd turned on Julie.

He's a spineless twat.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Silent Scream

There was nothing sneaky or understated about it. He said in no uncertain terms what he thought of Julie. What I object to is he didn't have the balls to back it up with a nomination until the crowd turned on Julie.

He's a spineless twat.

It was sneaky. Julie didn't like what the girls were doing with the boys and had previously said so to the boys.
Martin was sitting in the room with his headphones on in the God's task saying how the girls were 'playing the boys' and how 'nobody should be treated like that' and doing the 'fishing rod' thing about Danica reeling the Prince in.
After the task Martin goes out and warns the boys about Julie stirring it up with them over the girls. He thought exactly the same as Julie, but instead of saying so he sneakily warned them not to listen to her, that she was stirring.
That's fact. It's there in the vids for anyone to see.

[Silent Scream]

Originally Posted by jet

It was sneaky. Julie didn't like what the girls were doing with the boys and had previously said so to the boys.
Martin was sitting in the room with his headphones on in the God's task saying how the girls were 'playing the boys' and how 'nobody should be treated like that' and doing the 'fishing rod' thing about Danica reeling the Prince in.
After the task Martin goes out and warns the boys about Julie stirring it up with them over the girls. He thought exactly the same as Julie, but instead of saying so he sneakily warned them not to listen to her, that she was stirring.
That's fact. It's there in the vids for anyone to see.

Julie said EXACTLY the same thing to the girls. She told them she loved them. She told Jasmine she was her mother in the house ffs. She told EVERYBODY what they wanted to hear. Insincere, lying manipulative cold-hearted bitch.

It's there in the vids for anyone to see

[jet]

Originally Posted by Silent Scream

Julie said EXACTLY the same thing to the girls. She told them she loved them. She told Jasmine she was her mother in the house ffs. She told EVERYBODY what they wanted to hear. Insincere, lying manipulative cold-hearted bitch.

It's there in the vids for anyone to see

Julie lives moment to moment and how she feels at the time. She isn't sincere with everyone, but there is nothing to indicate she is either manipulative or cold hearted.
Martin is the manipulative one. He pretends to agree with everyone whilst sneakily planting seeds behind their backs.
I know which one I would rather trust, and it isn't Mr. Goody Two Shoes.
Besides, Julian likes Julie, and that's another plus in her favour for me.

[Silent Scream]

Originally Posted by jet

Julie lives moment to moment and how she feels at the time. She isn't sincere with everyone, but there is nothing to indicate she is either manipulative or cold hearted.
Martin is the manipulative one. He pretends to agree with everyone whilst sneakily planting seeds behind their backs.
I know which one I would rather trust, and it isn't Mr. Goody Two Shoes.
Besides, Julian likes Julie, and that's another plus in her favour for me.

Martin knows what he want to think. That may sound odd but for him what he actually thinks and what he wants to think on live TV are completely different.

He's not playing the game he's trying to detach himself from it but Julie is so blatantly being an absolute **** (excuse my French) he feels he has to make it known he has noticed it.

He would be my winner if he called her out on it face to face. He hasn't. He's a coward.

Julian is still my winner.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Silent Scream

Martin knows what he want to think. That may sound odd but for him what he actually thinks and what he wants to think on live TV are completely different.

He's not playing the game he's trying to detach himself from it but Julie is so blatantly being an absolute **** (excuse my French) he feels he has to make it known he has noticed it.

He would be my winner if he called her out on it face to face. He hasn't. He's a coward.

Julian is still my winner.

I don't understand the first paragraph at all.

As for Julian...Well that's something we agree on!

[Silent Scream]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't understand the first paragraph at all.

As for Julian...Well that's something we agree on!

He's going through the motions, well he was till he decided he didn't like Julie. Then he decided to disguise his intense dislike of her by pretending to be protective of the boys.

He wouldn't nominate her because of the whole 'natiional treasure' thing but you can bet your life he has now because the crowd hated her.

I'm disappointed in him tbh. Julian is the only vaguely likeable HM left in that house.

[ness]

Originally Posted by jet

Julie lives moment to moment and how she feels at the time. She isn't sincere with everyone, but there is nothing to indicate she is either manipulative or cold hearted.
Martin is the manipulative one. He pretends to agree with everyone whilst sneakily planting seeds behind their backs.
I know which one I would rather trust, and it isn't Mr. Goody Two Shoes.
Besides, Julian likes Julie, and that's another plus in her favour for me.

Couldn't agree more -well said -i'd feel better and more relaxed around julie who means well rather than the quiet plotter martin whom i don't trust at all -he's the biggest sneakiest gameplayer in there.