[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That's the thing about 'if'..... they don't always produce the results.

Hetrosexual sex ...nothing special about the sexual act perhaps if comparing the actual act itself ....but there most definitely is something special in respect of the results - without which, there would be no children to adopt.

You've not thought this one out at all really. But of course....you know that.

children from IVF would be just as adoptable, so i don't know what you are talking about.

i said, at puberty, sperm and eggs would be taken from everyone, i think i forgot to then mention that everyone would then be sterilized after that. Everyone would be sterilized in the same way we all get polio vaccines. So everyone would be adopting. It would be impossible for anyone to procreate through sex. That was probably an important detail i left out.

But yea, all people would be incapable of having children through intercourse, and everyone would have to APPLY to adopt through that government agency, and only the most qualified people would be allowed to raise the next generation of children. The WHOLE POINT being that only qualified capable parents would be raising children.

[Candy Annie Cane]

[QUOTE=lostalex;5498959]children from IVF would be just as adoptable, so i don't know what you are talking about.

i said, at puberty, sperm and eggs would be taken from everyone, i think i forgot to then mention that everyone would then be sterilized after that. Everyone would be sterilized in the same way we all get polio vaccines. So everyone would be adopting. It would be impossible for anyone to procreate through sex. That was probably an important detail i left out.

But yea, all people would be incapable of having children through intercourse, and everyone would have to APPLY to adopt through that government agency, and only the most qualified people would be allowed to raise the next generation of children. The WHOLE POINT being that only qualified capable parents would be



Nothing gives anyone the right to take away a person's right to bear children....especially the government - who would deem that people are qualified enough? This is life - not a film.....

The problem with the IVF procedures and advancements is that Mother Nature is very advanced in determining viable pregnancies and IVF procedures do not recognise this therefore increasing birth defects, women would have to have hormone treatments to produce eggs as we only produce one a month naturally (these hormone drugs increase the risks of numerous cancers) plus who would foot the expense of all these IVF cycles. IVF also has a massive failure rate.

Also what about diseases etc that require certain treatments that can be sourced from immediate family members - bone marrow etc? If no-one carries their biological children this makes finding donors much harder

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lostalex

children from IVF would be just as adoptable, so i don't know what you are talking about.

i said, at puberty, sperm and eggs would be taken from everyone, i think i forgot to then mention that everyone would then be sterilized after that. Everyone would be sterilized in the same way we all get polio vaccines. So everyone would be adopting. It would be impossible for anyone to procreate through sex. That was probably an important detail i left out.

But yea, all people would be incapable of having children through intercourse, and everyone would have to APPLY to adopt through that government agency, and only the most qualified people would be allowed to raise the next generation of children. The WHOLE POINT being that only qualified capable parents would be raising children.

You do realise the idea behind this kind of thing was to breed the gay out of the population as well as the colour.
Alex you are a strange breed

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bobnot

You do realise the idea behind this kind of thing was to breed the gay out of the population as well as the colour.
Alex you are a strange breed

I said that EVERYONE would be sterilized,. so OBVIOUSLY there is no discrimination! so it's nothing like the Nazi's at all. The Nazis were trying to eradicate people based on discrimination. MY system has no discrimination based on race, or religion, or ethnicity, or sexuality, or anything else. So how is it like the Nazis? It's not.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I said that EVERYONE would be sterilized,. so OBVIOUSLY there is no discrimination! so it's nothing like the Nazi's at all. The Nazis were trying to eradicate people based on discrimination. MY system has no discrimination based on race, or religion, or ethnicity, or sexuality, or anything else. So how is it like the Nazis? It's not.

Eugenics alex style a new world..
How sensible

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

children from IVF would be just as adoptable, so i don't know what you are talking about.

i said, at puberty, sperm and eggs would be taken from everyone, i think i forgot to then mention that everyone would then be sterilized after that. Everyone would be sterilized in the same way we all get polio vaccines. So everyone would be adopting. It would be impossible for anyone to procreate through sex. That was probably an important detail i left out.

But yea, all people would be incapable of having children through intercourse, and everyone would have to APPLY to adopt through that government agency, and only the most qualified people would be allowed to raise the next generation of children. The WHOLE POINT being that only qualified capable parents would be raising children.

So you want others to be forced to give their sperm and eggs.... dear god.

Adopt your own child - or be forced to accept the genes of others....... has to be one of the most laughable ideas I've heard - but you've fair made me smile on this thread - I'll give you that!

For those who that the thread applies to and who are saying they'd like to go down the surrogacy route: would you prefer a person 'unknown' or would you prefer for it to be someone that you know and trust?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

So you want others to be forced to give their sperm and eggs.... dear god.

Adopt your own child - or be forced to accept the genes of others....... has to be one of the most laughable ideas I've heard - but you've fair made me smile on this thread - I'll give you that!

For those who that the thread applies to and who are saying they'd like to go down the surrogacy route: would you prefer a person 'unknown' or would you prefer for it to be someone that you know and trust?

why are you asking people obviously i've designed the system to avoid all of the selfishness, and tribalism that is inherent in people's small minded opinions. the genetics would be above the individuals.


we would choose the genetics that most benefit our world, not just people's small minded preferences, people's pathetic need to feel like they matter.

We should all have a vested interest in what's best for our SPECIES> not just what pacifies our own fragile egos.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why are you asking people obviously i've designed the system to avoid all of the selfishness, and tribalism that is inherent in people's small minded opinions. the genetics would be above the individuals.


we would choose the genetics that most benefit our world, not just people's small minded preferences, people's pathetic need to feel like they matter.

We should all have a vested interest in what's best for our SPECIES> not just what pacifies our own fragile egos.

You do know this is never going to happen don't you?

Its just far too wrong to contemplate

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by anniek76

You do know this is never going to happen don't you?

Its just far too wrong to contemplate

Of course it's never going to happen...and he knows it too..... but it passes a non eventful Friday afternoon and that can never be a bad thing!

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Of course it's never going to happen...and he knows it too..... but it passes a non eventful Friday afternoon and that can never be a bad thing!

True enough

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why are you asking people obviously i've designed the system to avoid all of the selfishness, and tribalism that is inherent in people's small minded opinions. the genetics would be above the individuals.


we would choose the genetics that most benefit our world, not just people's small minded preferences, people's pathetic need to feel like they matter.

We should all have a vested interest in what's best for our SPECIES> not just what pacifies our own fragile egos.

PMSL.... 'I've designed the system to avoid all the selfishness and tribalism'...... you don't think not allowing others a choice isn't small minded. Okaaaay .......

I don't have a fragile ego, I don't have to be concerned about pacifiying it. I'm more concerned with allowing people a choice in whether they want their genes & DNA used and given to persons unknown - without the fear of someone wanting to know 20 years later "Who IS my real dad / mum"...... let me go hunt them down and screw their lives up because they were forced to give their eggs/sperm.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

PMSL.... 'I've designed the system to avoid all the selfishness and tribalism'...... you don't think not allowing others a choice isn't small minded. Okaaaay .......

I don't have a fragile ego, I don't have to be concerned about pacifiying it. I'm more concerned with allowing people a choice in whether they want their genes & DNA used and given to persons unknown - without the fear of someone wanting to know 20 years later "Who IS my real dad / mum"...... let me go hunt them down and screw their lives up because they were forced to give their eggs/sperm.

you'd be asking "who's my REAL DAD?" no. what does that mean? would you rather let people with no parental skills at all have children, then you'll be asking "why was my REAL DAD raping me and no body helped me?" "why was my real mom selling me to strangers for drugs?"

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you'd be asking "who's my REAL DAD?" no. what does that mean? would you rather let people with no parental skills at all have children, then you'll be asking "why was my REAL DAD raping me and no body helped me?" "why was my real mom selling me to strangers for drugs?"

I'd not be asking anything. I know who my parents were and both of them were willing participants in creating a new life.

they way you put it over - it's as though incest is a normal every day part of family life in the main ..... hate to break it to you: It's not.

All of which is side tracking from the thread though........

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'd not be asking anything. I know who my parents were and both of them were willing participants in creating a new life.

they way you put it over - it's as though incest is a normal every day part of family life in the main ..... hate to break it to you: It's not.

All of which is side tracking from the thread though........

actually it is. the statistics are that 1 out of every 4 children have been sexually assaulted by the age of 18, and the vast majority of those assaults are from within the house.

1 out of 4 is A LOT.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you'd be asking "who's my REAL DAD?" no. what does that mean? would you rather let people with no parental skills at all have children, then you'll be asking "why was my REAL DAD raping me and no body helped me?" "why was my real mom selling me to strangers for drugs?"

All this money might be better spent in improving the social welfare system, increasing social workers for children and making and enforcing stricter rules when it comes to children in homes where they're not being taken care of properly. Sterilising the human race is unnatural and frankly quite barbaric

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

All this money might be better spent in improving the social welfare system, increasing social workers for children and making and enforcing stricter rules when it comes to children in homes where they're not being taken care of properly. Sterilising the human race is unnatural and frankly quite barbaric

the human race is barbaric. my solution is not. My solution is fighting fire with water.