[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Oh don't get me wrong: I understand where you're coming from, 100% and there is no way any of us can say it's not a highly unlikely relationship that may prove us all wrong.

I'm more of the opinion that he will (most likely, imo) be getting his kicks from the fact that she is forbidden fruit, was then, and still is. I get the feeling that soon as she matures (emotionally and in age) that he won't quite get the same thrill and his ardour will dampen pdq.

I could be wrong: but any man in his 30's going into a relationship with a minor - a child - is missing something - she is (and was in Feb) a child - her own mother has said she is still very childlike.

I'm also pretty saddened that there seems to be no mention of the effect this must be having on his wife (not from you - in general). I feel so sorry for her as much as I do the girl's parents.

Her parent's describe her as very childlike, but yet she's clearly capable of running away to France and engaging in a relationship with a 30 year old man? Something's not quite right there imo.

Again I disagree with you here Pyr, I don't feel sorry for the parents at all. They said that she should come home and they aren't angry. What does she have to do to make them angry then? go on a shooting rampage? Maybe her 'running away' is actually a cry for adult attention and the teacher, contrary to being some sort of 'groomer' is actually an innocent pawn in the game.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever

I couldn't believe when I heard that today, that's totally out of order, that the parents weren't told of this.

If the mother had been made aware, there is a good chance the fact that her daughter made a 'fuss' about looking in her the eye on the final Thursday night to tell her mum " I love you"... that would have set alarm bells ringing - or it may have.

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Her parent's describe her as very childlike, but yet she's clearly capable of running away to France and engaging in a relationship with a 30 year old man? Something's not quite right there imo.

Again I disagree with you here Pyr, I don't feel sorry for the parents at all. They said that she should come home and they aren't angry. What does she have to do to make them angry then? go on a shooting rampage? Maybe her 'running away' is actually a cry for adult attention and the teacher, contrary to being some sort of 'groomer' is actually an innocent pawn in the game.

You don't feel sorry for the parents? well, that takes my breath away fruitcake - I'm not a parent and can only imagine the hell this is putting them through. I'm horrified that anyone could say they dont feel sorry for her parents.

Surely you don't need it spelled out to you that they are trying to get the message over to her that she isn't in trouble, that they are not going to be angry with her, that they still love her regardless: is to reinforce that she need not be scared to contact them: it's very natural that she (the girl) may be frightened / embarrassed / regretting what she's done and feeling terrible about how it's made her parents worry - and is scared to contact parents. I'll tell you something: I ran away from boarding school (twice) - once out of sheer devilment - and I was more scared of my parents reaction after I did: than I was of checking into a hostel in London on my todd and wandering about on jacksie. At the time of running away: my parents were the last thing on my mind: i wanted to do what I wanted to do: it was only when I realised that mum and dad were enlisting the help of all sorts of people to try to find me that the 'fear' set in of the bother I'd get into. It was only years later that I realised the utter hell I put my parents through - when I'd matured and realised just how much danger I put myself in.

Perhaps your idea is to put the fear of god into the lassie from her parents - as some way to get her to make contact - it's most certainly not my idea.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I take my hat off to you for the stance you are taking - but imo - it's a pretty cold hearted one.

[fruit_cake]

Well Pyr, I guess we all have subjective experiences and that we grow up with different stories to tell. I don't really like disclosing large amounts of information about myself on random forums but I grew up with distant and emotionally detached parents that I could have slit my wrists in front of them and it certainly felt like they probably wouldn't have noticed.

I, like this girl, couldn't really do any wrong in their eyes either. When I was fifteen I could take drugs, sleep around, disappear for days on end, frankly, do whatever whim took me from one day to the next. I know how empty that feels and although I never did most of those things to any excesses, I do remember it crossing my mind several times to run away, like yourself, when I was a teenager, in the hope that one day some adult figure might actually notice I existed and teach me how to look after myself. I also know as a teenager I would have been able to manipulate most people that were around at the time for those means, and a thirty-something horny teacher with his brain in his trousers would have been a very very easy target.

So, no I don't feel particularly sorry for the parents, and I have my reasons like anyone else does, which likewise are drawn from my own experiences just like anyone else.

At the end of the day though, we all make choices I suppose

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Well Pyr, I guess we all have subjective experiences and that we grow up with different stories to tell. I don't really like disclosing large amounts of information about myself on random forums but I grew up with distant and emotionally detached parents that I could have slit my wrists in front of them and it certainly felt like they probably wouldn't have noticed.

I, like this girl, couldn't really do any wrong in their eyes either. When I was fifteen I could take drugs, sleep around, disappear for days on end, frankly, do whatever whim took me from one day to the next. I know how empty that feels and although I never did most of those things to any excesses, I do remember it crossing my mind several times to run away when I was a teenager, in the hope that one day some adult figure might actually notice I existed and teach me how to look after myself. I also know as a teenager I would have been able to manipulate most people that were around at the time for those means, and a thirty-something horny teacher with his brain in his trousers would have been a very very easy target.

So, no I don't feel particularly sorry for the parents, and I have my reasons like anyone else does, which likewise are drawn from my own experiences just like anyone else.

At the end of the day though, we all make choices I suppose

I did too FC, given that majority of time, I lived either with my grandmother or at boarding school: it still didn't mean I wasn't brave enough (or rather... stupid enough!!) to 'do what I wanted to do' - then realised I'd made a serious fook up as I'd still have to face the music at some point - but that thought was overridden by the excitement of being a runaway and I have to say, the fact that I was in effect, sticking my two fingers up to my parents by saying "I'll do what I want" was the one of the main reasons I did it - coz I actually enjoyed the school!!

Yes, I understand we all have different reasons for how we view things and that comes from our own experiences if we've some correlation but this is one that we are going to agree to disagree on.

I have to say though: I have thought ... what if the parents made a statement/public appeal on the opposite side saying, "Look Megan, we're not angry at what you've done or who you are with: but we are getting bloody angry at you not letting us know how you okay, that you haven't let us know you are alive and well.... a phone call from a phone box is all we are asking now get your bloody arse into gear and at least do that and put us out of our misery"...... it has got me thinking.

Gut feeling in me still says it's still not the way to go.

Apart from anything: the teacher is the one bearing the responsibility - he's meant to be the adult in this 'relationship'. He's showing a hell of a lot of immaturity and selfishness - neither of which are commendable.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I did too FC, given that majority of time, I lived either with my grandmother or at boarding school: it still didn't mean I wasn't brave enough (or rather... stupid enough!!) to 'do what I wanted to do' - then realised I'd made a serious fook up as I'd still have to face the music at some point - but that thought was overridden by the excitement of being a runaway and I have to say, the fact that I was in effect, sticking my two fingers up to my parents by saying "I'll do what I want" was the one of the main reasons I did it - coz I actually enjoyed the school!!

Yes, I understand we all have different reasons for how we view things and that comes from our own experiences if we've some correlation but this is one that we are going to agree to disagree on.

I have to say though: I have thought ... what if the parents made a statement/public appeal on the opposite side saying, "Look Megan, we're not angry at what you've done or who you are with: but we are getting bloody angry at you not letting us know how you okay, that you haven't let us know you are alive and well.... a phone call from a phone box is all we are asking now get your bloody arse into gear and at least do that and put us out of our misery"...... it has got me thinking.

Gut feeling in me still says it's still not the way to go.

Apart from anything: the teacher is the one bearing the responsibility - he's meant to be the adult in this 'relationship'. He's showing a hell of a lot of immaturity and selfishness - neither of which are commendable.

you've certainly come up with a very well thought out and considered responce there Pyr, I certainly hope now that's what the parents do it seems you've covered both the 'bases' there with the caring but also cold responce that we've been talking about. It also sounds like you had an interesting time in your youth that I will have to pick out of you at some other point

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

you've certainly come up with a very well thought out and considered responce there Pyr, I certainly hope now that's what the parents do it seems you've covered both the 'bases' there with the caring but also cold responce that we've been talking about. It also sounds like you had an interesting time in your youth that I will have to pick out of you at some other point

I was a model child I will have you know. till I hit about 14 till about 19 - I used to joke that no wonder my granny had Angina ! (god I shouldn't laugh at that!).

Pick away anytime: my life aint been a boring one that's for sure.

However, we digress.

I'm more surprised that given the car, the reggie being banded about, photos etc: that they have not been spotted yet.

There's a lack of info regarding money for example: no mention of whether he lifted large amounts of cash in run up to France, meaning he wouldnt have to be using ATMs. If not, no mention of ATMs being used, CCTVs showing them being used, credit card usage etc, where (location wise) the message that was sent from her phone to say she'd arrived in France....... there's a distinct lack of info being given out and when that happens: there's usually a very good answer for it..... almost as though the authorities may be close and not wanting them to 'move on' before they get a chance to catch up with them...... or god forbid: the scenario Omah mentioned.

[the truth]

clealry this is a major concern, we hope she will be safe and well, and he will probably go to prison...however its hard to judge exactly until we know more...some relationships between adults and teenage girls have in fact lasted , jerry lee lewis married a 13 year old and they were married for 13 years with 2 children. its clearly a very dodgy area, quite how big a crime this is, is very much open to the details ....clearly his teaching career is over, his repuation in tatters and he will have this on his record for life. on the other hand if she is there on her own free will, perhaps they havent had sex. she may be desperately unhappy at home. so many are, who knows.. be interesting to see how this develops.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by the truth

clealry this is a major concern, we hope she will be safe and well, and he will probably go to prison...however its hard to judge exactly until we know more...some relationships between adults and teenage girls have in fact lasted , jerry lee lewis married a 13 year old and they were married for 13 years with 2 children. its clearly a very dodgy area, quite how big a crime this is, is very much open to the details ....clearly his teaching career is over, his repuation in tatters and he will have this on his record for life. on the other hand if she is there on her own free will, perhaps they havent had sex. she may be desperately unhappy at home. so many are, who knows.. be interesting to see how this develops.

Think the chances of prison time are about nil if our sentencing judges are anything to go by of late. She simply says she went of her own volition, had no sex, he did not force her, didn't try to control her, cared for her etc: threatens to kill herself etc: too many factors there that I think he'd not do time for this.

Ultimately - whether this may or may not work out / last is not what is important.

What is important, and is more telling: is the fact that no contact has been made - and any 30 year old intelligent man, will know and be very aware of the concern and worry this will have caused.

If anything has done them the most harm: it's the avoidance of contact - and the longer that goes on: the worse effect that will have on the entire situation.

[arista]

Some of Tomorrows Papers

[fruit_cake]

It seems to me that the pressure now that is on top of their relationship will probably make it incredibly difficult anyway given that they are effectively on the run.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

Some of Tomorrows Papers

I thought I'd read somewhere that the police were aware of this around the same time and the local Council authorities were but I couldn't find it again earlier when I was looking for it to post on here.

Teachers too bloody busy going on strike, and police too bloody arguing with men on bicycles ..... pfft. On a more serious note: it's a disgrace, and absolute bloody disgrace that teachers, the local Council authorites and police were all aware, didn't inform the parents: and still this happened.

[thesheriff443]

all i want to know is?
is she any good a maths.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

all i want to know is?
is she any good a maths.

well no doubt he's taught her to add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs, and multiply!!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

well no doubt he's taught her to add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs, and multiply!!

i love the devide the legs bit
i said six not sex.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Omah

The pressure on the pair may now be so severe that a suicide pact may be the only way out for them .....

Originally Posted by Nedusa

A modern day Romeo and Juliet....!!!

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There's a lack of info regarding money for example: no mention of whether he lifted large amounts of cash in run up to France, meaning he wouldnt have to be using ATMs. If not, no mention of ATMs being used, CCTVs showing them being used, credit card usage etc, where (location wise) the message that was sent from her phone to say she'd arrived in France....... there's a distinct lack of info being given out and when that happens: there's usually a very good answer for it..... almost as though the authorities may be close and not wanting them to 'move on' before they get a chance to catch up with them...... or god forbid: the scenario Omah mentioned.

It's a common scenario, too ..... and one that's been made into many films - "Bonnie and Clyde", "Badlands", "Thelma and Louise", etc.

[Mystic Mock]

Hopefully that won't happen though Omah.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Some of Tomorrows Papers

it getting a bit creepy now post if she is found

[Pyramid*]

This addresses my earlier thoughts - they can't live without money - if he'd been planning this and stashing money away- he'd have to had Łs exchanged to euros - and there would be a trace of that - but nothing mentioned about that aspect.

But there has not been a single sighting of the pair anywhere in France and no trace of them using their mobile phones or accessing cash machines, according to the French authorities.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz27YkCJ4AD

Article states that other pupils parents are up in arms (as are Megans parents) that the school knew about this for so long - so too did the Council and the Police. If ever there's been a cockup of magnanimous proportions: it's got to be this considering how many people in authority were aware of this relationship, and in a position to have stopped this happening - but didn't.

Mother says if she'd been aware, there's no way she'd have allowed her extra 'maths' lessons. I'm sure she wouldn't have allowed her daughter to stay overnight with a 'friend' either that Thursday night without being able to check who she was staying with etc. As I said before, heads need to roll.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

This addresses my earlier thoughts - they can't live without money - if he'd been planning this and stashing money away- he'd have to had Łs exchanged to euros - and there would be a trace of that - but nothing mentioned about that aspect.

Article states that other pupils parents are up in arms (as are Megans parents) that the school knew about this for so long - so too did the Council and the Police. If ever there's been a cockup of magnanimous proportions: it's got to be this considering how many people in authority were aware of this relationship, and in a position to have stopped this happening - but didn't.

Mother says if she'd been aware, there's no way she'd have allowed her extra 'maths' lessons. I'm sure she wouldn't have allowed her daughter to stay overnight with a 'friend' either that Thursday night without being able to check who she was staying with etc. As I said before, heads need to roll.

That's really worrying! I hope they're ok!

[arista]

Someone in the Press
has said he can Flip?

Why say that

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

Someone in the Press
has said he can Flip?

Why say that

My take is that anyone and everyone can 'flip' if under the right (or wrong!) conditions.

A married man who thinks it's a good idea to run away with a 15 year old and not ensure people who love/care for them know they are okay - isn't thinking straight and isn't being rational.

When people aren't being rational - all sorts can happen - and I'm really not getting a good feeling about this at all.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My take is that anyone and everyone can 'flip' if under the right (or wrong!) conditions.

A married man who thinks it's a good idea to run away with a 15 year old and not ensure people who love/care for them know they are okay - isn't thinking straight and isn't being rational.

When people aren't being rational - all sorts can happen - and I'm really not getting a good feeling about this at all.

Me neither! Especially if he's not thinking straight. They need to find them as soon as possible.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Someone in the Press
has said he can Flip?

Why say that

try and forget about her there lots of missing teen in the UK your not going on about them some missing for years

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by michael21

try and forget about her there lots of missing teen in the UK your not going on about them some missing for years

You seem to forget one simple thing: this thread happens to be about this particular girl.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You seem to forget one simple thing: this thread happens to be about this particular girl.

you are wrong its about 2 people or there would be no story silly Pyramid