[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't know though, do you. You don't know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that these things are true. It wouldn't be the first time people jumped on a bandwaggon. One piece of evidence. Just one. That's all I need to change my mind.

But you don't know that it didn't happen? To assume that every single one of these alleged victims is lying is hardly fair imo. He might not have literally raped everysingle one of them, but sexual assault can be anything from groping to rape. And how can you get evidence for that kind of thing?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by JH95

But you don't know that it didn't happen? To assume that every single one of these alleged victims is lying is hardly fair imo. He might not have literally raped everysingle one of them, but sexual assault can be anything from groping to rape. And how can you get evidence for that kind of thing?

I agree with your comment above that the sheer numbers now coming forward lend more weight to the likelihood that he probably was a dirty old man , but as I've said before in this thread I would need to see one piece of solid evidence beyond testimony from any of his alleged victims before I would assume his guilt. And even then I'm still not happy with the very long time interval since these alleged crimes were committed , coupled with the fact the man is dead and cannot defend himself.

Easy to make up allegations against a dead person ( no legal comebacks re slander or libel)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JH95

But you don't know that it didn't happen? To assume that every single one of these alleged victims is lying is hardly fair imo. He might not have literally raped everysingle one of them, but sexual assault can be anything from groping to rape. And how can you get evidence for that kind of thing?

Maybe I am looking at this a different way than some of you are because of my profession. But people have to be proved to be guilty. No one has to prove themselves to be innocent, that isn't how the law works. And to have waited decades until he died seemms very suspect to me. No one - not one person - came forward at the time. And yet, suddenly, there are tens, of not hundreds of people with a story to share with the nation.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

And to have waited decades until he died seemms very suspect to me. No one - not one person - came forward at the time.

Another one of the alleged victims, Charlotte, says she was 14 when she was indecently assaulted by Jimmy Savile in a caravan parked in the grounds of her residential school said she was punished for making a complaint against Savile at the time.

She said:

“I was taken upstairs to the isolation unit, left there for two or three days and said that I could come back into the building when I refrained from saying such filthy things and retract the accusations and you know, that was it.

When I came out I just didn’t say anything more because I hated it in the isolation unit, it was a padded cell.

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-09-30/b...e-documentary/

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-09-30/b...e-documentary/

If a complaint was made at the time there will be documentary evidence somewhere. I look forward to seeing something. Anything.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

If a complaint was made at the time there will be documentary evidence somewhere. I look forward to seeing something. Anything.

"there will be documentary evidence somewhere"

Really ? As if .....

Even before shredders were invented, there were fires and furnaces .....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

"there will be documentary evidence somewhere"

Really ? As if .....

Even before shredders were invented, there were fires and furnaces .....

Firstly, the emoticons to not strengthen your argument, quite the reverse.

If there is no evidence, then in the law there is no claim to answer. I have not made that up.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Firstly, the emoticons to not strengthen your argument, quite the reverse.

If there is no evidence, then in the law there is no claim to answer. I have not made that up.

I agree, just because 40 people say something happened doesn't prove that it happened..!!!

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

Firstly, the emoticons to not strengthen your argument, quite the reverse.

If there is no evidence, then in the law there is no claim to answer. I have not made that up.

Rubbish, see post above :

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=298