[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I am quite aware that attitudes were different decades ago, towards things. The church, homosexuals, race etc, and that some people were so powerful, they could sway things in their favour, and things could be covered up if required. What I have not seen, is any evidence that anybody tried to do anything about the situation back then, with so many people aware of what was happening, and that's what I find hard to understand. And I am not talking about the victims here, I am talking about the people who were witnesses to these offences, and who did nothing.

Look if his bosses at the BBC let him have free reign, Joanna Bloggs from Nowhere was hardly going to get a hearing. That girl in the childrens home reported him and was put in solitary confinement until she remembered differently, who knows who else reported him What we have heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg, I have no doubt in weeks to come we will hear about the people who spoke up but who were ignored.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by CherieB

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Look if his bosses at the BBC let him have free reign, Joanna Bloggs from Nowhere was hardly going to get a hearing. That girl in the childrens home reported him and was put in solitary confinement until she remembered differently, who knows who else reported him What we have heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg, I have no doubt in weeks to come we will hear about the people who spoke up but who were ignored.

This.

Back then women used to get touched up by their bosses knowing no one would listen if they complained. I dont think we can blame the people who knew. No one knows what kind of pressure they must have been under.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by CherieB

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Look if his bosses at the BBC let him have free reign, Joanna Bloggs from Nowhere was hardly going to get a hearing. That girl in the childrens home reported him and was put in solitary confinement until she remembered differently, who knows who else reported him What we have heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg, I have no doubt in weeks to come we will hear about the people who spoke up but who were ignored.

That is the kind of attitudes I am talking about. I am referring to adults here though who witnessed such incidents, and could have done something, but chose to do nothing. It may have well been the case that any such allegations made may have been dismissed if reported, but at least an attempt had been made to do so.

It is of course possible that we will hear about such cases where people had tried to alert the authorities and their reports were not taken seriously or covered up, but I am airing my views about what we know so far and the facts in hand, and that is all I can comment upon.

Again I realise that people thought their complaints may not be taken seriously, and so did nothing, but this is now on such a big scale it seems incomprehensible that nothing was done with regards to protecting these minors from such predators.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

That is the kind of attitudes I am talking about. I am referring to adults here though who witnessed such incidents, and could have done something, but chose to do nothing. It may have well been the case that any such allegations made may have been dismissed if reported, but at least an attempt had been made to do so.

It is of course possible that we will hear about such cases where people had tried to alert the authorities and their reports were not taken seriously or covered up, but I am airing my views about what we know so far and the facts in hand, and that is all I can comment upon.

Again I realise that people thought their complaints may not be taken seriously, and so did nothing, but this is now on such a big scale it seems incomprehensible that nothing was done with regards to protecting these minors from such predators.

The Catholic church is way bigger than Jimmy Savile or the BBC and paedophile priests have been ALLOWED to damage children without question for centuries.

Children are vulnerable. Predators "love" the vulnerable. Rarely are their interests perk around capable adults.

We need to get so much better at recognising predators while protecting and listening to children.

The culture of shaming abused people into silence through poor investigation rebuff devalue dismissal disbelief and incredulity just adds to the damage.

I also believe JS was reported many times since the 70s onwards. I am not a conspiracy theorist believer. However I do think that this case will die with JS being recognised as the demon he was. But if the case were truly and properly investigated it would rock the very foundations of British society.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

The Catholic church is way bigger than Jimmy Savile or the BBC and paedophile priests have been ALLOWED to damage children without question for centuries.

Children are vulnerable. Predators "love" the vulnerable. Rarely are their interests perk around capable adults.

We need to get so much better at recognising predators while protecting and listening to children.

The culture of shaming abused people into silence through poor investigation rebuff devalue dismissal disbelief and incredulity just adds to the damage.

I also believe JS was reported many times since the 70s onwards. I am not a conspiracy theorist believer. However I do think that this case will die with JS being recognised as the demon he was. But if the case were truly and properly investigated it would rock the very foundations of British society.

I am not questioning this. As we now know, sexual abuse was allowed to run unchecked in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's in a number of institutions, schools, children’s homes, churches and now the BBC. That should not colour our response to it.

He may well be guilty, and that may be the case with a full investigation, and many people could possibly have tried to report it, as I have already mentioned, but there is no evidence of this at the moment that I have seen. My original post, and disdain, was for someone (an adult) who witnessed such a terrible incident, and did nothing, and now lives with that regret as I am sure many others do.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I am not questioning this. As we now know, sexual abuse was allowed to run unchecked in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's in a number of institutions, schools, children’s homes, churches and now the BBC. That should not colour our response to it.

He may well be guilty, and that may be the case with a full investigation, and many people could possibly have tried to report it, as I have already mentioned, but there is no evidence of this at the moment that I have seen. My original post, and disdain, was for someone (an adult) who witnessed such a terrible incident, and did nothing, and now lives with that regret as I am sure many others do.

I don't condone this phenomenon (adults who turn away when they witness abuse) but it is a known response.

Again I don't know why this happens but it does. I don't excuse it.
I would like to understand the motivation. I think it's fear. Terror. Individuals with emotional immaturity and under confidence. With minds that are unable to process horrors witnessed in the world.

Janet Street Porter told of the story of being hit by her mother when she reported that a hairdresser she had been left with molested her at 10 yrs old.

Too often you hear the story of mothers who continue to live with men who are abusing their children.

People who hear domestic abuse and don't call the police and other stories like this.

I think perhaps the witnesses can be victims of the abuse too. Especially if they too are dismissed when they report it or have a pending fear of dismissal.

These are excuses of course and adult witnesses should always report the abuse of children.

But I don't think being adult has anything to do with chronological age height and size but courage confidence emotional maturity and a real sense of the life changing damage that they had been witness.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

I don't condone this phenomenon (adults who turn away when they witness abuse) but it is a known response.

Again I don't know why this happens but it does. I don't excuse it.
I would like to understand the motivation. I think it's fear. Terror. Individuals with emotional immaturity and under confidence. With minds that are unable to process horrors witnessed in the world.

Janet Street Porter told of the story of being hit by her mother when she reported that a hairdresser she had been left with molested her at 10 yrs old.

Too often you hear the story of mothers who continue to live with men who are abusing their children.

People who hear domestic abuse and don't call the police and other stories like this.

I think perhaps the witnesses can be victims of the abuse too. Especially if they too are dismissed when they report it or have a pending fear of dismissal.

These are excuses of course and adult witnesses should always report the abuse of children.

But I don't think being adult has anything to do with chronological age height and size but courage confidence emotional maturity and a real sense of the life changing damage that they had been witness.

The reasons I talk about the failure of adults is precisely for the reason that is mentioned in your post about Janet Street Porter. Children's reports are often disregarded and they are scolded for making things up. As mentioned again, children may be frightened, or possibly do not understand fully what has happened. I would expect an adults knowledge and understanding of right and wrong to be far more superior than that of a small child, and their allegations be taken far more seriously possibly. I realise that not everybody reacts in the same way, but I would have expected with the enormity of this case, that at the least an allegation or two were originally made against him. If none ever were, then that has contributed for the length of time this was allowed to go on unchallenged.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I am not questioning this. As we now know, sexual abuse was allowed to run unchecked in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's in a number of institutions, schools, children’s homes, churches and now the BBC. That should not colour our response to it.

He may well be guilty, and that may be the case with a full investigation, and many people could possibly have tried to report it, as I have already mentioned, but there is no evidence of this at the moment that I have seen. My original post, and disdain, was for someone (an adult) who witnessed such a terrible incident, and did nothing, and now lives with that regret as I am sure many others do.

Ex Policeman interviewed on BBC News last night reported to it to his superiors after receiving a complaint from a Nurse at one of the Hospitals and it was brushed aside. I feel sure there were many complaints, there just had to be with the number of allegations against him.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

The Catholic church is way bigger than Jimmy Savile or the BBC and paedophile priests have been ALLOWED to damage children without question for centuries.

Children are vulnerable. Predators "love" the vulnerable. Rarely are their interests perk around capable adults.

We need to get so much better at recognising predators while protecting and listening to children.

The culture of shaming abused people into silence through poor investigation rebuff devalue dismissal disbelief and incredulity just adds to the damage.

I also believe JS was reported many times since the 70s onwards. I am not a conspiracy theorist believer. However I do think that this case will die with JS being recognised as the demon he was. But if the case were truly and properly investigated it would rock the very foundations of British society.

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