[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

I'm not suggesting that the police failed to act - I'm accusing certain police forces of protecting Savile and allowing him to violate (probably) hundreds of children.

Wow...thats some can of worms
The three wise monkeys approach isn't always wise, the truth will out.

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz29fjok5Rm

OUTRAGED Royal Marines have wiped out all traces of sex predator Jimmy Savile from their world-famous commando base.

Savile had a long-standing affiliation with the Marines and was awarded the highly-coveted Green Beret in 1966.

He was even buried with the illustrious commando cap – awarded to him after a gruelling 30-mile march across Dartmoor with heavy kit – when he died last October aged 84.

But as the Savile sex storm intensifies, Commando officials have destroyed all remnants of the TV star at their training centre at Lympstone, near Exmouth, Devon.

Lympstone chiefs have stripped the camp’s Savile Room of any connection with the honorary marine, removing a framed photograph of Savile and the room’s nameplate.

Bosses are now holding talks to rename the room – often used for family functions – and eradicate four decades of the vile celebrity.

The serial paedophile DJ proudly maintained links with the corps, often attending their parades and ceremonies right up until his death.

A Royal Marines spokesman said the historic corps was sensitive to public feeling and had responded as the catalogue of horrifying sex attacks emerged.

He said: “The honorary green lid dies with the man so his honorary award doesn’t exist. It died when he did.

“The renaming of the function suite called the Savile Room is now under consideration and the framed photograph of Savile has recently been removed.

“The room is used for family functions and we are trying to listen to, and be sensitive to, the public and if taking the picture down does that, then we should absolutely do it.”

Savile was awarded the green beret after he his brother Vince, then a serving officer with the Royal Navy, completed an exhausting 30-mile speed march in eight hours.

Among Savile’s possessions auctioned for charity after he died were his Royal Marines flying suit and a bottle of 15-year-old single Highland malt from the Officers Mess at the Marines boot camp.

Savile’s coffin was even carried by Royal Marine pallbearers.

Good

[arista]

[Glenn.]

April Jones seems to have been forgotten because of all this ****. Is a sex predator more important than the missing girl?

[Kizzy]

What a horrible thing to say, of course she hasn't.

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz29hsEwf4H

A JIMMY Savile victim last night revealed he abused her from age 11 in Stoke Mandeville hospital’s chapel — during MASSES.

The BBC beast would prey on Samantha Brown in a room behind the congregation — brazenly leaving the door open so he could still watch the priest.

Samantha, now a mum of three, is convinced the fear he might have been spotted gave the Jim’ll Fix it star an extra thrill.

She said: “He thought he was God. He did it every time he was in there — more than 20 times over three or four years until I was 15.”

Samantha — a Catholic like Savile — lived near the Buckinghamshire hospital where he was famously a charity volunteer. Her family worshipped at the chapel and she was given the honour of taking charge of the collection plate during Mass. It meant going to the back to fetch it.

Married Samantha, 45, said: “Savile used to stand in the separate little room during Mass — and I had to go in there to get the offering plate while the service was going on. It was horrible. I used to hate it.”

She told how her heart sank whenever she spotted a Ł20 note left on the plate — Savile’s donation. Samantha said: “It was a lot of money in those days.

“I knew what was going to happen before I walked through the door. I just tried to get in and out as quickly as possible.”

She said the paedo would grope her “everywhere”. Samantha — who still lives in the area — recalled: “It was so blatant it made you even more afraid to say anything.

“I thought it was my fault. Eventually I stopped going to church because of him.” She kept her hell a secret for decades — but is now among an army of women to come forward exposing the late Top Of The Pops DJ’s depravity.

Samantha said: “It was only after everything started to come out that I could tell for the first time.

“It completely destroyed my trust in human relationships.”

[Omah]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...s-8217389.html

A documentary exposing the abuse and sexual exploitation of under-age models was withdrawn from the BBC's schedule amid heightened sensitivities over the Jimmy Savile affair.

The Storyville film, Girl Model, which was due to be shown on BBC2 on Wednesday night, followed a 13-year-old girl on her journey from Siberia to Tokyo, where she had been promised a career as a model.

The documentary was described as an unflinching exposé of the shocking supply of ever-younger girls to the Japanese modelling industry.

It was previously screened on BBC4 in June, but the corporation said it had been dropped the from BBC2 schedule "in the light of sensitivities surrounding recent events".

The last-minute decision to cancel the film reflects an atmosphere of caution at the BBC following allegations that Savile lured under-age girls by promising them audience tickets for his shows and then assaulted them on BBC premises.

Wise

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20006049

The Metropolitan Police have launched a "formal criminal investigation" into alleged incidences of sexual abuse by the late Sir Jimmy Savile.

Scotland Yard said more than 400 lines of inquiry had been "assessed" and over 200 potential victims of the former BBC DJ and presenter had been identified.

Cdr Peter Spindler described the number of victims who have come forward as "staggering".

He added the sexual exploitation had occurred during the victims' childhood.

Scotland Yard said the investigation - dubbed Operation Yewtree - moved from an assessment to a criminal investigation after detectives established there are lines of inquiry involving "living people that require formal investigation".

Cdr Spindler said the response from the public had been "astounding".

He added: "We are dealing with alleged abuse on an unprecedented scale. The profile of this operation has empowered a staggering number of victims to come forward to report the sexual exploitation which occurred during their childhood.

"I am pleased that victims feel confident enough to speak out about the abuse they suffered and would like to reassure the public that we take all these cases very seriously and they will be investigated with the utmost sensitivity."

It just gets worse .....

[Alf]

all those that knew and kept quiet should all go to prison

[Omah]

http://news.sky.com/story/999869/jim...l-investigaton

Peter Watt, head of the NSPCC's helpline, said: "It's now looking possible that Jimmy Savile was one the most prolific sex offenders the NSPCC has ever come across.

"We have received over 136 calls directly relating to allegations against him which we've passed to the police.

"We are also finding more and more people coming forward and reporting unrelated abuse after hearing the victims in this case speak out. Many are only just doing so after years of keeping it to themselves."

[Sticks]

Sorry but in English law at least a person is considered innocent unless proven guilty in a fair trial. Since Mr Saville is now dead, he can not be put on trial, so he can not be pronounced guilty in law of any of these alleged offences. If people who are alive are put on trial that is a different matter, but only limited to them, and not the late Mr Saville.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Sorry but in English law at least a person is considered innocent unless proven guilty in a fair trial. Since Mr Saville is now dead, he can not be put on trial, so he can not be pronounced guilty in law of any of these alleged offences. If people who are alive are put on trial that is a different matter, but only limited to them, and not the late Mr Saville.

Yeah, but everyone now and henceforward will know that Sleazy Savile was a serial child-abuser and not the saint that he made himself out to be, and which most of the gullible British public (and members of the Establishment and Royal Family) believed he was .....

History is being rewritten - Savile was never "innocent" - he was obviously born a devil incarnate with a prediliction for violating the "innocent" - having, presumably, gone to Hell, he can rot there while his life, and grave, are terminally trashed .....

[microscope]

I have been watching the news day by day probably like most people on this forum and each day there is more news about the late Sir Jimmy Saville and all the bad things he did in regards to children, mainly 13, 14 and 15 years of age. But the one thing that comes to peoples minds is why didn't he get reported while he was still alive, especially as there is so many apparent victims all coming forward now with their stories of what he did to them. It's all very suspect?

If you went back just 10 years ago to 2002 before the politically-correct-nanny-state-culture which has taken over our world to the extent it is today. If you heard that an older man looked or showed interest in someone below the age of '18' years of age, but no younger than '13', then you may look upon that as being a bit weird or you could class that person as a 'cradle snatcher', which had nothing to do with 'paedophelia' back then unlike it is today to the majority of people. Celebrity Kerry Katona only commented recently that she felt that Jimmy Savile was a pervert just by the way he looked at her. The word 'Perv' obviously meaning 'Paedophile' these days. Even though they are both adults and large age-gaps in relationships isn't illegal yet. Although one day I'm sure it will be, the way things are going...

But if you go back to 1984 there was a 14 year old Mandy Smith with a 48 year old Bill Wyman as shown here :- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...-life-God.html

And as you can read within that article. Bill would be treated a lot worse today. In fact locked up and life ruined...over!!

So you can imagine what was going through the mind of celebrities such as Jimmy Savile at that time. If Bill can do it then why not them? If you were caught having sex with someone underage back then, then you would be breaking the law and end up in court for it, just like if you stabbed somebody. But it wasn't looked upon as serious as it is today. Today it's classed a million times worse by the majority! And if a pop star was caught kissing a 14 year old groupie who was probably a jail-bait-bitch anyway and loved every minute of it, then do you really expect the police or the courts to do much about it when it wasn't deemed so bad huh?? of course not!. And thats why he got away with it...simples...

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by kizzy

What a horrible thing to say, of course she hasn't.

I haven't seen ONE news report since all this bollocks about Saville.

[arista]

[Nedusa]

I bet all the Celebs who back in the day used to hang around with Savile are now quaking in their boots as it looks now like this is now a criminal investigation and as we know the press will keep digging away at this story until they find...... ???

[Omah]

His great niece reveals the scandal's most sickening twist yet - and how he bribed his sister to cover it up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz29p4Yn5w0

Caroline Robinson recalls how she was sexually assaulted by Jimmy Savile TWICE

Her admission that even she, a family member, was a victim of his depravity is a chilling one. Caroline was molested twice by him: once when she was just 12 and again three years later.

But equally unsettling is her revelation that Savile bought the silence of close members of his family circle by bribing them with lavish gifts and money. Her grandmother Marjorie Marsden, Savile’s elder sister, knew he had abused Caroline, and, she believes, Marjorie was also well aware he was a prolific and predatory paedophile. But she refused to confront her famous brother because she knew that if Savile were brought to book, the comfortable lifestyle he provided for her would end.

Uncle Jimmy gave Marjorie everything she wanted,’ says Caroline. ‘She was interested in Egyptology, so he bought her a house on the Nile. When she divorced, he paid for the best lawyer. He paid for her to live in a smart BUPA care home near his flat in Roundhay Park in Leeds just before she died in 2006

‘She had private medical insurance and a cottage in Llandudno, courtesy of Jimmy; he bought her a caravan on the coast there. If Marjorie had blabbed, Jimmy would have had nothing. No fame, no money. In fact, he’d have been in jail. And Marjorie would have had nothing, too.

When Savile first assaulted Caroline, she was a shy, self-effacing 12-year-old. Sweet-faced and blonde, she had a pronounced stammer; even so, she was excited when her mother June, a barmaid, and father, Nick, a bus driver, announced that Uncle Jimmy would be making a rare visit to their modest council house in Seacroft, Leeds.

‘He came into our sitting room, wearing his usual shell-suit and vest, smoking a cigar. The smell of cigar smoke permeated him. He kissed my hand. It was his trademark greeting and I remember feeling ten feet tall.’

‘Jimmy patted his knee because he wanted me to sit there, which I did. He placed me very deliberately in the centre of his lap. ‘I was innocent, unaware of the facts of life, and I remember thinking, “There’s something hard in his trousers”.

‘I remember feeling his hands rubbing my back. It wasn’t an innocent stroke or brush of the hand — he was pressing his fingers into my back and down my spine until they reached my knickers.

‘Then he pushed them under the elastic and rested them on my buttocks.

‘The extraordinary thing is the room was full, but no one seemed to notice what he was doing. My grandma was sitting opposite us. She must have seen, but she didn’t intervene.

‘I knew it felt uncomfortable, wrong. I pulled away and said I wanted to go to the toilet. Then I went into my bedroom and burst into tears. I remember thinking: “I can’t tell Mum and Dad because they won’t believe Uncle Jimmy would do that.”

‘Later Grandmamma asked me why I’d been crying. I said: “Uncle Jimmy put his hand in my knickers.” She told me not to be silly. Then I said: “He touched my bottom,” and she said: “Jimmy doesn’t mean anything by it.” So she knew.

‘She said: “I’ll have a talk to Jimmy.” Not another word was said after that. She was the head of the household.’

It was not until another family party — this one at the Mansion Hotel in Leeds — that Caroline encountered her great uncle again: she was 15 and he had agreed to DJ for the evening.

Caroline felt repulsed, wary, but recalls: ‘I was there with my boyfriend Peter and I didn’t think Jimmy would be a threat.’

Next, Caroline remembers, the mood of the evening became darker. ‘Mum said to me: “Take some food to Uncle Jimmy,” and I resisted. I was trembling.’ Cajoled by her mother, she went.

She has a graphic recollection of the repulsive assault that followed.

‘I went up to the DJ’s booth and proffered the plate. Jimmy pushed me into a recess behind the booth. He cornered me; I was trapped. I can still summon up the smell of him; his cigars and a sweet, sickly girls’ perfume.

‘I remember it was noisy and he was whispering: “What can Uncle Jimmy do for you?” I said: “Get off me!”

I struggled but it just seemed to make him more excited. ‘You hear about people being actually raped who just go along with it, just so it will be over quicker. And that’s what I did. I stopped resisting. He was a strong man; wiry, fit. I was a schoolgirl of 15.

‘When it was over, I ran outside. I remember being sick. Then I went into the hotel toilets and scrubbed myself. I didn’t tell anyone; not Peter or my parents. Peter went home. I went home with Mum and Dad, and Jimmy just disappeared, as he always did. I remember lying in the bath and scrubbing myself. I felt I couldn’t get clean; I couldn’t get Jimmy’s smell off me.”’

If I could dig him up, I’d let the crows feed on him.’

Just .....

[Jake.]

[Nedusa]

Is there no end to this story, to what further depths of depravity are we going to be taken ?? I can't help thinking a lot of people must have been complicit in some of these activities as the sheer scale and number of victims is breathtaking . There must have been a few people in reasonably high positions of power who not only knew about Savile's activities but actually covered up large parts of it by paying off victims. Who knows perhaps some of these people actually facilitated some of these incidents.

That's where this story is heading and it could prove to be a potentially explosive
expose...!!!

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Is there no end to this story, to what further depths of depravity are we going to be taken ?? I can't help thinking a lot of people must have been complicit in some of these activities as the sheer scale and number of victims is breathtaking . There must have been a few people in reasonably high positions of power who not only knew about Savile's activities but actually covered up large parts of it by paying off victims. Who knows perhaps some of these people actually facilitated some of these incidents.

That's where this story is heading and it could prove to be a potentially explosive expose...!!!

Yeah, so far we've seen the tip of the iceberg .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Nah. still don't 'buy it'.

Perhaps the reason all these folk kept 'schtoom'.... was because their were PAID to keep schtoom.......... stranger things have happened in life. and it is SO VERY EASY to lay the blame on one party, having cashed the cheque, having banked the money: when the offending party is dead, making food for the worms and cannot defend themselves.


If those that were abused felt to bad about it: why keep their mouths shut unti the man died? Possibly: just possibly: becuase they were paid to keep their mouths shut, but Mr JS isn't here to prove that?


there's a little thought for you....................

Originally Posted by Omah

Who paid them?

Let's have proof of THAT allegation .....

Any link with tangible evidence will do .....

Originally Posted by Omah

His great niece reveals the scandal's most sickening twist yet - and how he bribed his sister to cover it up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz29p4Yn5w0



Just .....

Patience is a virtue, I knew if folk waited long enough, there would be some admission of some alleged victims keeping their mouths shut because they accepted the price they paid.

Here, I provide you with the proof that you asked 400 odd post or so back.... ironic that you actually have provided the 'proof' yourself though.

A bribe doesn't work on it's own. It takes as least two to turn an 'offer' into a accepted bribe.

'Microscope' has provided very good reasoning for what may be far closer to the truth in all of this sordid saga.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Patience is a virtue, I knew if folk waited long enough, there would be some admission of some alleged victims keeping their mouths shut because they accepted the price they paid.

Here, I provide you with the proof that you asked 400 odd post or so back.... ironic that you actually have provided the 'proof' yourself though.

A bribe doesn't work on it's own. It takes as least two to turn an 'offer' into a accepted bribe.

'Microscope' has provided very good reasoning for what may be far closer to the truth in all of this sordid saga.

Just have the decency to accept that you were wrong, so very wrong .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Just have the decency to accept that you were wrong, so very wrong .....

Now I know you have a sense of humour and that pleases me - although this thread is not the place for your humour to shine through, given the seriousness of the topic.

I was the one pointing out a very obvious possibility: there may have been very good reason for them keeping their traps shut....because they benefitted from it then, and (in the case of this particular woman) - she wants to have her cake and eat it too....... and it seems that my hunch was spot on.

You asked for some link to this allegation of mine - I gave it to you, courtesy of your good self.

I have stated all along that whilst I felt 'something was remiss' about JS, that I did not believe it to be as it is being portrayed or to the level of abuse. My view remains that way.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My view remains that way.

Entrenched .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Entrenched .....

It's called remaining calm & impartial - and being willing to accept all may not be as it initially seems: when others around are in a feeding frenzy over something that has not even had full investigation other than being a trial by media.