[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by waterhog

i would just like to point out to everyone that has just knocked me and my understanding. i am not saying the people on benefits pay the highest tax - as of course they do not - what i am saying is - if you are in a low paid job most of the wages is eated up byt tax - and if you are in a job just a tiny bit over the tax limit - and you miss out on claiming benefits - then life is one struggle.

i don't no how anyone can defend anyone on a salary of over £50 k a year can dare say the people on benefits have life to easy and have everything paid for them - its just because they are in a job that is so finacially rewarding that they have never had worrys of the average person struggling.

i really feel i wont get through to anyone so i accept we all see things different.

I get your point and agree with it too.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I get your point and agree with it too.

You agree that anyone who has such a job that they have immense pressure place upon them and earn £50K plus ... are somehow very priviledged? People who work 90+ hours a week are on call and are (for example) PERSONALLY responsible for saving lives, personally responsible for the decision they make every day of their working lives which surmounts to whether somone may live of die?


I look forward to seeing if you have the same view when you have 20 / 30 years of experience under your belt in a very select type of profession that requires the upmost skills and decades of exprience.

Otherswise, you're opinion Joey is folly.... given without any real thought. Perhaps you should experience what it feels like to have a loved one's live hanging in the balance of an 'overpaid' surgeon - before deciding how you feel about their salary? Just somethign for you to consider.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You agree that anyone who has such a job that they have immense pressure place upon them and earn £50K plus ... are somehow very priviledged? People who work 90+ hours a week are on call and are (for example) PERSONALLY responsible for saving lives, personally responsible for the decision they make every day of their working lives which surmounts to whether somone may live of die?


I look forward to seeing if you have the same view when you have 20 / 30 years of experience under your belt in a very select type of profession that requires the upmost skills and decades of exprience.

Otherswise, you're opinion Joey is folly.... given without any real thought. Perhaps you should experience what it feels like to have a loved one's live hanging in the balance of an 'overpaid' surgeon - before deciding how you feel about their salary? Just somethign for you to consider.

With full respect,what ridiculous statements and as for my opinion being folly,I dispute that and throw it back at yourself.

Again you actually assume you know people but again you are wrong, I have no less than,for instance, working in the NHS 11 of my family now, one of my Uncles is a Consultant,another is a Doctor, the rest are nursing staff, my Father is also a Barrister.
Don't be so ready to tell people they speak with no thought,and more to the point with no knowledge of things either,
No one, not even Waterhog was saying people on 50k were privileged, he was saying that they, some of them and in some cases many of them would be possibly less likely to understand the problems of someone on only a small income,that what was the view I was supporting.

I can tell you, I am fortunate to come from a fairly priviliged background,thanks to my family, I will likely be earning really good salaries myself in a few years, depending what career I finally choose to go into, either Politics or Law.
I will not however, alter the thinking and feeling I have towrds people less successful than I may be or nowhere likely as well off as I may possibly come to be.

You make rather dramatic highlighting of people who do earn pretty good salaries year in and year out and for many of those people it is well earned but it clearly must help to make their lives a lot easier than somone on say £150 a week or less.
I see you do not however race to defend anyone who is being demonised by the press and even this Govts Ministers just because they have to rely on the State and they are the people being hit left,right and centre from the Govts cuts, from the benefit reforms, to the very intrusive ATOS testing, and now the Council tax and Housing benefit,)(bedroom tax), cuts too.

What I find really awful and patronising from this heartless Govt, is its demonisation of the weakest, it states it is on the side of those who strive and work hard, all well and good but by such terminology allowing those who can't work, to be demonised by some Ministers and the media.

I know far more than you ever give me credit for Pyramid and you are really insulting to people who disagree with you,or someone you think you can really wind up to get an argument with.

I also for instance have a friend who is paralysed and has mental issues too,that I also help care for. who was, after an ATOS assessment told he was able to do some work when the DWP got in touch with him after it.
We appealed and it was totally overturned,that happened simply because he was able to answer yes to the questions put and certain boxes were ticked.

He like hoards of others would love to work if it was possible but it is not and then you get these people who demonise people on benefits generally also without thinking.
So kindly don't tell me my opinions are folly.

I really do my utmost to avoid you Pyramid but you replied to my post and then said my opinion was folly, you are very clever at trying to belittle and put down others while in fact being allowed to say all you set out to.
I wish to tell you, you don't know me,so don't tell me I make posts and comments without thought,that I have little idea of certain things such as to people on salaries over 50k comment.
My posts are from knowledge I have gained not from my studies but from in the main the experiences of people I have gone out and talked to.
My opinion is far from folly and again as I said, 'I know far more than you think I do',I do so because I look at both sides of the coin after going out and learning for myself peoples struggles and successes and can relate to both.