[microscope]

originally posted by omah

The man who named the man who can't be named was the man who was abused by the man who wasn't the man who can't be named but another man who was identified to the man who was abused as a man with the same name as the man who can't be named ..... get my drift??

That makes as much sense as Einstein's theory of relativity would to a member of 'Little Mix' lmao And also doesn't change the fact that the person named wasn't a paedophile.

originally posted by omah

As I understand it, Entwistle didn't cause anything to happen - it was his lack of curiosity and his inaction which enabled others to make disastrous decisions.

He resigned for nothing then???

And please read what I put. I said, 'someone or more'. There is plenty at fault at the BBC.

originally posted by omah

How does a golden handshake for Entwistle "give out the wrong signals as more will follow and make false allegations, whether deliberate or accidental"

Well if you are an ageing head of a corporation with a huge paypacket and the worst you are going to get is the option to resign and a year ahead's sallary when perhaps he was thinking of retirement anyway? Then it gives out the wrong signal to others in an important job that making a mistake such as this (whether be himself or others under him within that organisation) that naming someone who isn't a paedophile as being so is not going to hurt you that much finantially. I'm not just zoning in on paedophelia either, it could be anything really.

originally posted by omah

Yes, you are .....

I said 'someone or more'. The quote is above and below

originally posted by omah

It's not just the BBC and it's not just Entwistle :

I never said it was just 'Entwistle', which is why I said 'someone or more', which you fail to acknowledge?

I couldn't care less how far the scope goes in regards to blame. All I hate is people being falsely accused of something and those who make those mistakes get off so lightly, but the damage it can do to those who do get falsely accused is massive. Especially with this crime.

Hours before that evening's edition of Newsnight, the programme's former political editor Michael Crick tweets "'Senior political figure' due to be accused tonight by BBC of being paedophile denies allegations + tells me he'll issue libel writ agst BBC".

He adds that the person - now known to be Lord McAlpine - said he had not been contacted by the BBC for his response to the allegations.

The tweets by Mr Crick, who now works for Channel 4, follow an earlier one made by Iain Overton, editor of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism whose reporter Angus Stickler led the Newsnight investigation.

In a now deleted post, which has been retweeted 1,574 times, Mr Overton writes: "If all goes well we've got a Newsnight out tonight about a very senior political figure who is a paedophile."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20286848

originally posted by omah
You are aware, of course, that other events have happened at the BBC and Helen Boaden, director of news and Steve Mitchell, deputy director of news and head of news programmes have "stepped aside" while enquiries are ongoing, a process which will take some weeks, at least ..... and a new DG has to be found, too .....

And...So... What difference does all this make exactly??

All I am saying is that when someone makes a mistake of this magnitude, then those who are responsable for this should get more of a punishment than a simple resignation or a small fine. And Entwistle did resign, which makes him guilty anyway to the majority gullable public. But I doubt they would really care to be honest, as it's not them it's happening to. They haven't been falsely accused.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by microscope

That makes as much sense as Einstein's theory of relativity would to a member of 'Little Mix' lmao And also doesn't change the fact that the person named wasn't a paedophile.



He resigned for nothing then???

And please read what I put. I said, 'someone or more'. There is plenty at fault at the BBC.



Well if you are an ageing head of a corporation with a huge paypacket and the worst you are going to get is the option to resign and a year ahead's sallary when perhaps he was thinking of retirement anyway? Then it gives out the wrong signal to others in an important job that making a mistake such as this (whether be himself or others under him within that organisation) that naming someone who isn't a paedophile as being so is not going to hurt you that much finantially. I'm not just zoning in on paedophelia either, it could be anything really.



I said 'someone or more'. The quote is above and below



I never said it was just 'Entwistle', which is why I said 'someone or more', which you fail to acknowledge?

I couldn't care less how far the scope goes in regards to blame. All I hate is people being falsely accused of something and those who make those mistakes get off so lightly, but the damage it can do to those who do get falsely accused is massive. Especially with this crime.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20286848



And...So... What difference does all this make exactly??

All I am saying is that when someone makes a mistake of this magnitude, then those who are responsable for this should get more of a punishment than a simple resignation or a small fine. And Entwistle did resign, which makes him guilty anyway to the majority gullable public. But I doubt they would really care to be honest, as it's not them it's happening to. They haven't been falsely accused.

It seems you "freedom-fighters" are all for "not guilty" or "innocent until proved guilty" for alleged (or dead) sex-offenders but "guilty because there" for a corporate executive .....

AFAIK, Entwistle is "guilty" of no crime - he may be inept, but I don't believe that merits the intervention of the CPS .....

If you want to attack corporate executives, go for the real criminals - the bankers .....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20286202

The current leadership crisis at the BBC should not overshadow child abuse allegations which sparked it, a former children's minister has said.

Director general George Entwistle quit over Newsnight's reporting of north Wales child abuse and a shelved report on abuse by ex-BBC DJ Jimmy Savile.

But MP Tim Loughton said the media focus on the resignation was "deeply frustrating".

"We really mustn't forget that this is about child abuse," he said.

"This is about vulnerable children and young people, going back many decades, who have been subject to pretty horrific abuse," Mr Loughton said, who was a children's minister until September.

"In the vast majority of cases, it is by ordinary people, people in positions of trust who are there to look after them and singularly failed.

"The real purpose is to root out child abuse that has gone on in the past, bring the perpetrators to book, give the victims some closure and make sure that it's not happening in 2012."

Exactly, all else is mere distraction - responsible adults can look after themselves .....

[arista]

BBC News director Helen Boaden and deputy Stephen Mitchell 'step aside'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2C02uEGRl


That makes sense as they
are not able do their full job at this time.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

It seems you "freedom-fighters" are all for "not guilty" or "innocent until proved guilty" for alleged (or dead) sex-offenders but "guilty because there" for a corporate executive .....

...And it seems you scandal-mongers are happy to assume that anyone who's accused is guilty so long as they're accused of something juicy. I wonder how you'd feel if someone accused you, and everyone said "well, there's no smoke without fire..."?

A corporate executive is paid the large salary and gets the best parking space because the buck stops with them.

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...m-pay-off.html

Mr Entwistle, who resigned on Saturday night after just 54 days in the job, leaves with a £450,000 lump sum on top of his £877,000 pension pot, which was described as “unjustifiable and unacceptable” by one MP.

A year's salary is more than generous but the equivalent of THREE YEARS SALARY is another example of the way the upper echelons of this country reward themselves like robber barons from taxes on the peasants .....

Lord Patten insisted yesterday that he would not be resigning, but admitted his job would be on the line if he could not restore people’s “huge trust” in the BBC.

Downing Street said that Lord Patten retained the support of the Prime
Minister, but that position is likely to change if he is criticised by any of the three BBC internal inquiries due to report back in December on Savile and sexual harassment.

Obviously, Patten must now go, but how many MILLIONS will HE get if "asked to resign"

The Daily Telegraph has learnt that the Newsnight programme of Nov 2, in which a former care home resident wrongly claimed to have been abused by a senior Tory, was approved for transmission by one of the more junior members of the BBC’s 12-man management board.

Although the BBC refused to say who had given the go-ahead for the film, the Telegraph has established that it was one of four executives: Lucy Adams, director of human resources, Zarin Patel, chief financial officer, Peter Johnston, director of BBC Northern Ireland, or Rhodri Talfan Davies, director of BBC Wales.

Government sources said up to five other BBC executives might also have to resign when the findings of the BBC’s internal inquiries were made public.

Helen Boaden, the head of news, her deputy Steve Mitchell, Peter Rippon, the editor of Newsnight, and David Jordan, the head of editorial policy and standards, have already been tainted by last month’s Savile revelations, while Adrian van Klaveren, who approved last week’s Newsnight film as acting head of news, is in the dock over the latest fiasco.

Again, get rid of them by all means, but only give them what a sacked production assistant would get for time served .....

[Kizzy]

What exactly is a 'scandal monger'?
It has been revealed it was not the Lord, so it begs the question who was it?...
It also raises the questions 'How did so many get it so wrong for so long'?
In high profile cases there is no smoke without fire to be fair, if you are implicated then there is usually a reason... even if that reason is you can be placed at the scene and you share a surname with a named suspect.

On the subject of pensions and the £1.3 'awarded' to Mr Entwhisle, I hope he is one of the last in the long line of dinosaurs at the BBC. He and Patten must understand with great power comes great responsibility...

[Omah]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...f-8306067.html

The spending watchdog is to investigate the £450,000 pay-off – equivalent to a full year’s salary – given to George Entwistle after he resigned as BBC director-general after serving just 54 days in the post.

The National Audit Office (NAO) confirmed today that it would question the BBC Trust about the payment which has been condemned across the political spectrum.

Under the terms of Mr Entwistle’s contract, he was entitled to only six months' pay, but the BBC Trust said the extra payment had been agreed to reflect continuing involvement with internal inquiries underway.

As MPs lined up to denounce the move as a reward for failure, Maria Miller, the Culture Secretary, told them that the watchdog was empowered to carry out a value-for-money investigation of the use of any public funds. Last night a spokesman for the NAO said: “There is no doubt we will be talking to the BBC Trust about this.”

[Omah]

as she watched STRICTLY COME DANCING

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2C7YzfRBE

Failed director general George Entwistle's 'obscene' £450,000 pay-off was signed off by a BBC Trust boss as she watched Strictly Come Dancing, it has been revealed.

Lord Patten telephoned his deputy Diana Coyle during the hit show on Saturday evening and they agreed that Entwistle should get double what he was entitled to if he did the 'honourable' thing and quit.

After the £1.3m deal was done, which also included a £877,000 pension pot, Ms Coyle went back to watching dancers like Denise Van Outen, Fern Britton, Kimberley Walsh, Michael Vaughan and Louis Smith, the BBC Trust confirmed to MailOnline.

After much consideration ..... ..... well, not really .....

[arista]

"BBC staff handed twitter ban"

Possible New Heading - Omah



BBC staff handed twitter ban: Acting news boss pleads with unhappy workers to stay silent over abuse row

Heads of television, radio and news and the corporation's director general are all 'acting'
Temporary head of BBC news has asked staff not to Tweet 'our problems'
BBC veterans fear the situation will lead to further uncertainty and shelve decisions needed to reform culture
Acting director general Tim Davie says after a day in the job he already 'has a grip' on crisis
MacQuarrie report says nobody knew who was in charge so Davie has installed a chain of command


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2C7rPuX7Z

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by arista

"BBC staff handed twitter ban"

New Heading Omah



BBC staff handed twitter ban: Acting news boss pleads with unhappy workers to stay silent over abuse row

Heads of television, radio and news and the corporation's director general are all 'acting'
Temporary head of BBC news has asked staff not to Tweet 'our problems'
BBC veterans fear the situation will lead to further uncertainty and shelve decisions needed to reform culture
Acting director general Tim Davie says after a day in the job he already 'has a grip' on crisis
MacQuarrie report says nobody knew who was in charge so Davie has installed a chain of command


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2C7rPuX7Z

oh hiding more are we

[Nedusa]

Has the BBC finally reached its sell by date, scandal after scandal allegations of Paedophile rings, corruption almost endemic, huge fat cat salaries and a massive licence fee all combine to make me wonder if the world has moved on leaving the BBC as an anachronism, a relic of days gone by.

Maybe better to break it up and sell it off to private companies...??

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Has the BBC finally reached its sell by date, scandal after scandal allegations of Paedophile rings, corruption almost endemic, huge fat cat salaries and a massive licence fee all combine to make me wonder if the world has moved on leaving the BBC as an anachronism, a relic of days gone by.

Maybe better to break it up and sell it off to private companies...??

Yeah, privatisation will promote competition, encourage choice, lower standards and raise prices .....

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...-auditors.html

Maria Miller, the Culture Secretary, indicated in parliament on Monday that the government's public spending watchdog will review George Entwistle's severance pay.

However, the NAO yesterday confirmed that it is unable to launch an "immediate" inquiry unless the BBC Trust refers itself to the spending watchdog.

The government's spending watchdog has limited powers to scrutinise the BBC under an agreement intended to protect the corporation from political interference.

Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC, admitted that he gave Mr Entwistle a payoff worth twice as much as he was entitled to to so he would go quietly.

The Prime Minister yesterday gave his support to Lord Patten despite admitting that the payout was "hard to justify".

He said: "On the BBC, we have said that clearly, it is hard to justify the payment that George Entwistle was given.

"But in terms of Chris Patten, the BBC is a vital national institution. It needs radical and urgent changes to get back on track.

"But I do believe we have to let the chairman of the Trust get on with the process, including the first step, hiring a new director general."

"Old boy network*" rules OK .....

On Monday, Maria Miller, the Culture Secretary, said on Monday: "The National Audit Office is empowered to conduct a value-for-money review of any issue.

"If it decides it wants to review this decision, I expect that the BBC would co-operate fully."

The National Audit Office yesterday confirmed that it wants to conduct a "quick" review of the payment.

However, under the terms of its agreement with the BBC it will have to wait until December 31st to begin any review, by which time the public spending watchdog fears it will be too late.

Amyas Morse, the Auditor General, yesterday wrote to Lord Patten saying he wanted to scrutinise the payment. The watchdog also confirmed it wanted more power to look at BBC accounts.

A spokesman for the National Audit Office said: "We stand ready to review the decision. We will be talking to the BBC Trust. We think that if such an examination is to be carried out it should be done quickly or not at all."

* Patten worked for the Conservative Party from 1966, first as desk officer and then director (from 1974 to 1979) of the Conservative Research Department.

Patten was a Conservative Member of Parliament for Bath from 1979 to 1992, serving as Minister for Overseas Development at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office from 1986 to 1989.

In 1989 he was appointed to the Cabinet as Secretary of State for the Environment and became responsible for the unpopular Community Charge (or so-called "Poll Tax").

In 1990, John Major made Patten Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and Chairman of the Conservative Party, with responsibility for organising the coming general election campaign. As party chairman, he was widely considered to be the main architect of the somewhat unexpected Conservative victory in the 1992 election.

In July 1992, he became the 28th and the last Governor of Hong Kong until its handover to the People's Republic of China on 30 June 1997.

Tory top-gun .....

[Kizzy]

Have you only just cottoned on to Patten? ...tsk
Check out what he said in interviews with the guardian as he took over as chairman.
(sorry can't post links)

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Have you only just cottoned on to Patten? ...tsk

No - I took part in the Poll Tax riots - some younger FMs, though, may have no idea of his Tory loyalty and his past "form" ..... hence the summary .....

[arista]

Lord McAlpine gets £185,000 plus costs from the BBC


Ref: SkyNewsHD Business Report


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...tion-newsnight

[arista]

[Omah]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...istle-evidence

George Entwistle, the former BBC director general, is expected to give evidence on Monday before Nick Pollard's inquiry into the handling of Newsnight's aborted investigation into sexual abuse by the late Jimmy Savile, in a demanding hearing that will see him grilled on what he knew about it by a silk.

The much criticised executive spent the last days of his short-lived director generalship preparing intensively for his appearance, which is expected to last several hours, and comes as the Pollard inquiry moves into its third week of evidence, having seen most of the senior BBC executives touched by the Savile film that never aired.

It is likely to be an exacting experience for a man who clearly struggled when he had to give evidence before MPs on on the culture media and sport select committee last month, and who performed poorly when interviewed by John Humphrys on the Today programme on the morning of what turned out to be the day he resigned.

Not just exacting, but excruciating .....

[Omah]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...t-jimmy-savile

The BBC is planning to publish on Wednesday the much-anticipated Pollard report into the handling of the abandoned late 2011 Newsnight investigation into child abuse by Jimmy Savile.

The report is due to be handed over to the BBC acting director general Tim Davie on Tuesday afternoon, with plans in place to publish the report along with witness statements and all relevant evidence including emails on Wednesday, or the latest Thursday.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20781287

An inquiry into Newsnight's shelving of a report on sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile has published its findings.

Key points:

No evidence of a cover-up of Newsnight's Savile investigation
The decision to drop Savile investigation was flawed
The editor and deputy editor of Newsnight are to be replaced
Head of BBC News to return to her post

Top tier of management not to to blame, obviously .....

[Omah]

Newsnight: MacQuarrie report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20784534

A report into a Newsnight programme which led to a former senior Tory politician being wrongly implicated in child abuse has concluded that it was a "serious failure of BBC journalism".

The report found that basic journalistic checks were not carried out, the story had been badly managed and the decision to broadcast the report was wrong.

As expected .....

[arista]

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-fiasco.html#

A £2 million review commissioned by the corporation concluded that bitter infighting, flawed decision-making and “rigid management chains” led to one of the biggest crises in the corporation’s history.

It found that executives were warned nearly two years ago about Savile’s “dark side” but still pressed ahead with tribute programmes about the presenter.

Six senior executives and editors were singled out for criticism in the reports – the findings of which were accepted by the BBC in full – but none have been fired. Two have quit, three are being moved into new positions in the BBC and one has kept her job.

The decision not to fire anyone was taken by the broadcaster and approved by the BBC Trust, which is headed by Lord Patten of Barnes. The Trust has no power to remove staff except the director-general.

The BBC is as bad as the bankers in looking after the interests of its "top tier" .....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

Newsnight: MacQuarrie report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20784534



As expected .....

Anyone who believes the BBC were at the crux of this (s)tory cover up at the time.
They thought they had paid enough to bury this years ago..