[the truth]

Originally Posted by wannashag

so lets take the music business, your stating that every act who are currentley making music and i mean every act are all better than the beatles
that's a bold statement, some may even think your deluded

yes alix also thinks every music act in the world is also better than, the stones, the who, the clash, elvis, the jacksons, stevie wonder, frank sinatra, johnny cash, john denver, louis armstrong, marvin gaye,the beatles, jimi hendrix, etc etc etc insane

[GypsyGoth]

Special effect were not better in movies 30 years ago. I've seen movies from 30 years ago and they look fake, and the tricks they use are obvious. Now there are a lot of good old movies, but to say they have better special effect than modern ones is wrong. Maybe you like the older special effect more, but that doesn't make them better.

The likes of this is in movies now

[Roy Mars III]

The special effects today are better in terms of how realistic they look, but the special effects 30 years were better in terms of what they added to the film and the skill that they took to pull them off.

Movies today are too processed and scientific, if that makes sense. It takes out the human element that was in movies of the past. Movies used to be an art form, now they are more of a business turning out newer and newer improved products. I will stick with the movies of the 60s, 70s and 80s personally.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Special effect were not better in movies 30 years ago. I've seen movies from 30 years ago and they look fake, and the tricks they use are obvious. Now there are a lot of good old movies, but to say they have better special effect than modern ones is wrong. Maybe you like the older special effect more, but that doesn't make them better.

The likes of this is in movies now

this looks utter sh%t

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by the truth

this looks utter sh%t

Well your opinion on it doesn't change the fact that it is far superior to anything that was created by special effects 30 years ago.

[Marsh.]

It depends what movie your talking about.

The Avatar CGI is amazing compared to SFX from 30+ years ago. For a movie set in another world, but yes it still looks fake and cartoony.

The other SFX which are supposed to blend in and go unnoticed in regular films, like filling in backdrops and other details are remarkable nowadays and you barely notice them.

It's just films tend to go for a SFX bonanza to get all the kids in and rake in the money.

[Scarlett.]

CGI is amazing, when used well (yes I know it's not all CGI, but there is quite a bit in there)

Youtube video

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Special effect were not better in movies 30 years ago. I've seen movies from 30 years ago and they look fake, and the tricks they use are obvious. Now there are a lot of good old movies, but to say they have better special effect than modern ones is wrong. Maybe you like the older special effect more, but that doesn't make them better.

The likes of this is in movies now

While that looks nice it never felt like a real world to me unlike films from 5 to 10 years ago even.

[the truth]

even superman movies made 30 years ago looked better and were infinitely better than the recent superman movie....one of the few movies that utilised special effects well , was the spiderman trilogy, now they were superb...its more about the abuse of cgi and the fact film-makers and music viedo producers are hiding behond cgi instead of working on other aspects of their productions.

[SharkAttack]

I remember watching the first Jurassic Park. Job well done! Cheap CGI vs the good stuff is the difference. But I usually watch films more focused on good dialogue, acting, and environment/music aura. It's rare that you get the good writing with the cheap effects, though. Production spends for both a good script *and* the effects, or not much on either.

[the truth]

cgi looks awful and it takes away all sense of reality and loses the viewers involvement
it also is overused so as to distract from the fact there is barely a plot a story or any intelligent dialogue
now take james bond, why do you think they still employ stuntmen and women? because they know the more real the stunt the better it looks and the more enjoyable it is...this is one major reason why this is the most successful franchise in the history of movies

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf not all films are gonna be as big as James Bond.

[Roy Mars III]

the best special effects ever were in Dune.

Avatar looks terrible, in my opinion.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

the best special effects ever were in Dune.

Avatar looks terrible, in my opinion.

the original star wars trilogy was infinitely more exciting visually than the next trilogy...the science has advanced but the movies had not....its produced overpaid lazy movie studios, cutting corners and making movies on computers with less human interaction and weaker scripts. im not blamingthe science Im blamingthe over -reliance on it

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by the truth

the original star wars trilogy was infinitely more exciting visually than the next trilogy...the science has advanced but the movies had not....its produced overpaid lazy movie studios, cutting corners and making movies on computers with less human interaction and weaker scripts. im not blamingthe science Im blamingthe over -reliance on it

I agree 100% with you . Films have become too manufactured and polished. They have lost their human element

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I agree 100% with you . Films have become too manufactured and polished. They have lost their human element

its just a microcosm of the humanization that happens across the world when corporattions get too powerful rich and complacent....they stop innovating and stop speaking to each other and just churn out the same manufactured soulless rubbish ...the only thing that makes them change a bit is when the money dries up....I look forwrad to the day (and the day will come) when smaller businesses eventually detsroy these worldwide monopolies....its already happenning thanks to online shopping ...the likes of woolworth were just the beginning.....sadly in movies and music it may take longer to see real changes....I would advise ALL true artists to go with being as independent and innovative as possible....the jackosn 5 for example are best remembered for a yellow pyjama outfit, sewn by their mom...not a slogan or an advert in sight.....the world is bored to tears of manufactured drivel...problem is right now, its such a monopoly there is no competition...rebellion starts now

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by the truth

movies and music videos special effects and over editing have actually gotten worse over the past 20 odd years (movies over 30 odd years)

like the original star wars trilogy, the american werewolf in london(legendary movie, the sequel had a cartoon monster? pathetic) , zulu, willy wonka (watched it with the kids recently , the old classic was way better than the remake) , spartacus, the greatest story ever told, the italian job(1000 times better than the remake)ben hur, cleopatra, james bond movies etc

all looked infinitely more real and better than todays movies, most of which look like humans stood in cartoon worlds...take the hulk movies? he was a 20 foot high green cartoon? it was just pitiful

even james bond, the jet pack and the magnificent sets in goldfinger looked magnificent in technicolour, bond looked like a real regular albeit super cool man, the spy who loved me, the sets were awesome, the underwater car scene awesome....goldeneye was terrific though...the recent movies have gone down the route of cgi more....it looks absurd, unreal and lazy

the art work and the sets they built in the 60s 70s 80s took far greater time and far greater attention to detail....nowadays we think were so clever with cgi and computer graphics, but theyre lazy , poor to look at, they take away the real human interaction, its just boring and looks rubbish

instead of fawning over these cgi people and editors as geniuses, lets be more honest, its rubbish

we need to get a balance, build proper movie sets again, get the 100s of extras (as they did in braveheart which was visually awesome, but it was a one off movie sadly) use the cgi if necessary but use it sparingly. try and get the movies back to being magical, human and at least set in some sort of reality

even moonraker with roger moore set in space looked more human than the recent stuff

I dont want to see comptuer generated images of people and animals and monster, I want to see human beings with proper expressions on their faces, I dont want to see space invaders in 3g , i want to see the next marlon brando and bette davis, the next bogey and bacall, acting out magnificent screenplays, telling majestic stories , did casablanca need a cartoon robot in the middle to liven it up? nope, the chemistry, the acting, the drama, the story, the romance, the screenplay , the human strengths and weakness lit up the screen more than all the cgi in the world

keep it real hollywood and lt us use our imagination

Right this is my essay. Thanks Truth.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by SharkAttack

I remember watching the first Jurassic Park. Job well done! Cheap CGI vs the good stuff is the difference. But I usually watch films more focused on good dialogue, acting, and environment/music aura. It's rare that you get the good writing with the cheap effects, though. Production spends for both a good script *and* the effects, or not much on either.

Me too, It was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen, there'd been nothing like it before

[the truth]

Can i also make a shout out for the cirocopter in you only live twice....they do exist , the inventor is an englishman, you can rent them or buy one for around £90,000 theyre sort of mini helicopters, the excitement I felt when I first saw them I cant describe and I still want to fly one....these movies create magic that lasts a lifetime, enjoy

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Why are none of you talking about iron man. Does anybody know where I could find a docu on how he was made to fly? Can't find anything relevant enough on youtube or google.

[the truth]

forget iron man, check out the jet pack and girocopter actually really used by sean connerys james bond. Now ask yourself why we dont see more of them? exactly when does a girocopter or jet pack go out of fashion?