[Vicky.]

To be quite honest, a thread like this is long overdue. Maybe now people can discuss other issues without the topic always being somehow brought round to how badly white men are treated by society.

[Kizzy]

History aside for a moment, in The UK today there is not in my opinion discrimination towards white males.
There is however a case for positive discrimination in the workplace for ethnic minority groups, LGBT groups, women and disabled individuals.
Companies are now encouraged to, via equal opportunities, to be more represented by minority groups.
This could be seen as discrimination, it is however making sure the workforce in the UK is more representative in society.
I fail to see how women are seen to come out as benefitting more than men, almost 40 years after the Equal Pay Act it's still to be implamented in most sectors......

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

History aside for a moment, in The UK today there is not in my opinion discrimination towards white males.
There is however a case for positive discrimination in the workplace for ethnic minority groups, LGBT groups, women and disabled individuals.
Companies are now encouraged to, via equal opportunities, to be more represented by minority groups.
This could be seen as discrimination, it is however making sure the workforce in the UK is more representative in society.
I fail to see how women are seen to come out as benefitting more than men, almost 40 years after the Equal Pay Act it's still to be implamented in most sectors......

Thats because you have simply ignored all of the information that counters your opinion here. There are an infinite number of examples where women are allowed carte blanche to say anything they like about men and get away with it, whether its a sick joke or deemining or even a false accusation...men on the other hand say one say about a female lineswoman and they lose their career and their family home. thats just 1 tiny example. the major examples are in the male suicides, broken homes, the failure to educate boys, the lack of support systems for men compared to women, the loss of their homes and families and life savings in the vast majority of divorce caes, the fact men die so much younger worldwide etc Id suggest if you want any credibility you seriously consider these issues affecting men

As for your other points. Women have hijacked the positive discrimination and the assistance for minoroties from disabled people. The percentage of disabled people in work is still miniscule. disabled access is still lacking too in vast numbers of places.
I know all about disabled adaptions to vehicles as i take wheelchair bound customers in my buses etc The charge for these people is a national disgrace. webbing alone to clamp down wheelchairs properly can run to £1500 then electric tail lifts instaled can run to £3000 thats just the start. its a massive racket. I have enormous sympathy for these disabled people, they are a real true minority who not only suffer real discrimination unlike the make believe stuff many of these women complain about. they receive verbal and physical bullying and suffer emotional and physical problems plus financial difficulties as they often cant find work. they truly have a huge cross to bare

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Thats because you have simply ignored all of the information that counters your opinion here. There are an infinite number of examples where women are allowed carte blanche to say anything they like about men and get away with it, whether its a sick joke or deemining or even a false accusation...men on the other hand say one say about a female lineswoman and they lose their career and their family home. thats just 1 tiny example. the major examples are in the male suicides, broken homes, the failure to educate boys, the lack of support systems for men compared to women, the loss of their homes and families and life savings in the vast majority of divorce caes, the fact men die so much younger worldwide etc Id suggest if you want any credibility you seriously consider these issues affecting men

As for your other points. Women have hijacked the positive discrimination and the assistance for minoroties from disabled people. The percentage of disabled people in work is still miniscule. disabled access is still lacking too in vast numbers of places.
I know all about disabled adaptions to vehicles as i take wheelchair bound customers in my buses etc The charge for these people is a national disgrace. webbing alone to clamp down wheelchairs properly can run to £1500 then electric tail lifts instaled can run to £3000 thats just the start. its a massive racket. I have enormous sympathy for these disabled people, they are a real true minority who not only suffer real discrimination unlike the make believe stuff many of these women complain about. they receive verbal and physical bullying and suffer emotional and physical problems plus financial difficulties as they often cant find work. they truly have a huge cross to bare

I ignored nothing...I gave my opinion on this topic is all.
If you don't like it that is your issue not mine.
I do not agree women are allowed to ride roughshod over men as you seem to be implying, and I would have said boys have exactly the same rights to education as girls.
It is frustrating that there are fewer job opportunities for the disabled, maybe if Mr Cameron had not scaled down remploy and the ATOS assement

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

White men are pretty obviously the least discriminated group in this country

It still can happen though.

[Munchkins]

You discriminate against women, and portray us all as evil, backstabbing people
White men are not discriminated against, well they can be but i have not seen many cases of it

[Redway]

Black people were an opressed minority for years (and in some ways still are) and white people have by far been the most privileged and the race that have discriminated the most, not the other way around. Now come a few decades down the line, when there's more hope for minority groups, and you're all up in open arms.

Give me a break.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

It still can happen though.

Well, you're right, it can ... but white men are the most racist, sexist group of people on the planet. I'm not saying that all white men are like that - I'm sure that the vast majority aren't, certainly here - but I see no reason for white people to moan about being discriminated against when they do most of it.

[Samuel.]

Youtube video

[MeMyselfAndI]

Don't men on average get paid more than women for the exact same job? sometimes by over £10,000 a year? I saw that on the news or something

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

Don't men on average get paid more than women for the exact same job? sometimes by over £10,000 a year? I saw that on the news or something

The_Truth will probably reply saying no thats false, and women get paid more for being sluts and showing their bodies to employers, he's such a woman hater, his threads all end the same..

[Suze]

Skin colour and discrimination of any sort really should not be an issue with people at all, especially in this day and age when you expect people to have moved forward from such stuff, and it is sad that it still is an issue with some.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Well, you're right, it can ... but white men are the most racist, sexist group of people on the planet. I'm not saying that all white men are like that - I'm sure that the vast majority aren't, certainly here - but I see no reason for white people to moan about being discriminated against when they do most of it.

I agree with this, I'm just saying though that alot of ethnic criminals can have it in for white people in general, especially the women more than anything though so I do think The Truth's argument is a bit invalid but I do see where his coming from that not all white men are racists pigs.

[Kizzy]

Right... Is this thread about sexism or racism?...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

You discriminate against women, and portray us all as evil, backstabbing people
White men are not discriminated against, well they can be but i have not seen many cases of it

Lies.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

Black people were an opressed minority for years (and in some ways still are) and white people have by far been the most privileged and the race that have discriminated the most, not the other way around. Now come a few decades down the line, when there's more hope for minority groups, and you're all up in open arms.

Give me a break.

I have more sympathy for black people and disabled, as both have hugelylegitimate complaints for being discriminated against in the UK, women have none.

[BBfanUSA]

As long as they're not being racist themselves. Karma should bite them on the arse. I think it's wrong and a bit of a double standard if they're on the receiving end.

I don't think they're being discriminated in America. A example of this is American Idol. It's been a White Guy winner for the last 5 years.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I ignored nothing...I gave my opinion on this topic is all.
If you don't like it that is your issue not mine.
I do not agree women are allowed to ride roughshod over men as you seem to be implying, and I would have said boys have exactly the same rights to education as girls.
It is frustrating that there are fewer job opportunities for the disabled, maybe if Mr Cameron had not scaled down remploy and the ATOS assement

Its been proved that education and primary and junior levels massively favours girls, especially as 90% are female teachers and the gap grows every year. The boys have less and less chance and we end up with enormous problems with young men , many of whom lack the basics of being able to read and write propelry, let alone a decent education.

Then we wonder why we have millions of angry young men who cant find work and we see drug use, alcohol abuse, violence and suicide sky rocket in young men, who kill themselves at 4 times the rate of women (A factor no one on here has the integroty to address). we then ignore this massive problem ruthlessly, we patronize these young men and tell them its a male problem all this suicide because men dont talk enough? well guess what? theres no institutions and support networks in place to listen to them and help them as there are for women. so what else do we do? recruit the poor and the uneducated boys for another futile war just as we have always done. dont worry boys youll come back depressed maybe lose a limb and suffering mental health problems for life. we will ignore you and keep every military hospital closed. mans world , what a sick joke.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

As long as they're not being racist themselves. Karma should bite them on the arse. I think it's wrong and a bit of a double standard if they're on the receiving end.

I don't think they're being discriminated in America. A example of this is American Idol. It's been a White Guy winner for the last 5 years.

american idol winner? who cares?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

History aside for a moment, in The UK today there is not in my opinion discrimination towards white males.
There is however a case for positive discrimination in the workplace for ethnic minority groups, LGBT groups, women and disabled individuals.
Companies are now encouraged to, via equal opportunities, to be more represented by minority groups.
This could be seen as discrimination, it is however making sure the workforce in the UK is more representative in society.
I fail to see how women are seen to come out as benefitting more than men, almost 40 years after the Equal Pay Act it's still to be implamented in most sectors......

the only reason they falsely claim men get paid more is by working out the career averages over a lifetime, where men overall will work for longer and more hours and due to this reason alone will end up rogressing slightly further on pay scales. there is barely any evidence of anyone illegally paying a man more for the identical work as a woman. in cases where it happens the law is there to protect them. however in truth, most jobs pay varies according to the quality of work produced as well as its reliability and how much profit it makes companies. Theres certain work women simply barley do at all...how many women plumbers, engineers, electricians, even basic jobs like gardening or paining and decorating or garden clearances? If women want to start these businesses I suggest they quit complaining and get off their backsides lose the chip on both shoulders and do it, like the rest of the entrepreneurs out there.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

I have more sympathy for black people and disabled, as both have hugelylegitimate complaints for being discriminated against in the UK, women have none.

Really? thats in my opinion quite a discriminatory statement...
Especially considerating the wage comparisons.
For whatever reason women head a large percentage of households in the UK.
I have huge sympathy for these women attempting to raise families so disadvantaged by un- enforced wage laws.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Really? thats in my opinion quite a discriminatory statement...
Especially considerating the wage comparisons.
For whatever reason women head a large percentage of households in the UK.
I have huge sympathy for these women attempting to raise families so disadvantaged by un- enforced wage laws.

Ive already addressed your last point which is nonsense. how can you enforce wages laws on performance related pay/ commission jobs? You cant its up to how good the person is, how reliable the person is and also how dedictaed to the career they are long term. also have you studied why women are more likely to job hop and dont last in jobs on average as long as men? this doesnt offer employers much chance and costs them money to retrain people endlessly. why should employers keep spending thousands of their own money because female employees are on average less reliable? is this discrimination? no its fact, do your homework. stop preaching theory and look at the reality

If women get pregnant often to milk benefits, its up to them and the fathers to take care of those children. woman are luckythough as they know they can always fall back on a lifetime of benefits whilst getting Csa payments too. no wonder they have all the spending power and so little ambition

now while you pretend to be offended and pretend something Ive said is sexist which it isnt and whilst you continue to cruelly ignore all the male sufferings and suicides. Id ask you, how often has a women fixed your electricity in a power cut? how often has a women fixed your gas leak? how often has a women safed you or any of your friends and relatives from a burning building or cut you out of a car? how man women do you know who lost limbs in wars? how many women do you know who fix roads and tarmac them>? how many women do you know who build your walls, fix your roof, build your home? while youre thinking of a clever answer to avoid the question, Ill save you time, the answer is probably not far from zero

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Its been proved that education and primary and junior levels massively favours girls, especially as 90% are female teachers and the gap grows every year. The boys have less and less chance and we end up with enormous problems with young men , many of whom lack the basics of being able to read and write propelry, let alone a decent education.

Then we wonder why we have millions of angry young men who cant find work and we see drug use, alcohol abuse, violence and suicide sky rocket in young men, who kill themselves at 4 times the rate of women (A factor no one on here has the integroty to address). we then ignore this massive problem ruthlessly, we patronize these young men and tell them its a male problem all this suicide because men dont talk enough? well guess what? theres no institutions and support networks in place to listen to them and help them as there are for women. so what else do we do? recruit the poor and the uneducated boys for another futile war just as we have always done. dont worry boys youll come back depressed maybe lose a limb and suffering mental health problems for life. we will ignore you and keep every military hospital closed. mans world , what a sick joke.

Firstly, can I say If you have proof that one gender is favoured over another you post
a link to this?
I have no idea why more young men choose not to go into teaching as there are no incentives for women over men as far as I know and they would be welcomed as positive male role models in some areas....
Socialization may have a part to play in why girls do better in schools than boys?
Peer pressure I would say plays a big part in that in inner city areas.
Children are now to stay at school or college till 18, they are encouraged much more now than ever before.
And having the 'integrity' to mention suicide rates of young men it is not right or fair to suggest that by not raising this members are ignorant to the plight of men affected...
There is a lot of help and information for men who are depressed due to many personal, social or mental issues.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

the only reason they falsely claim men get paid more is by working out the career averages over a lifetime, where men overall will work for longer and more hours and due to this reason alone will end up rogressing slightly further on pay scales. there is barely any evidence of anyone illegally paying a man more for the identical work as a woman. in cases where it happens the law is there to protect them. however in truth, most jobs pay varies according to the quality of work produced as well as its reliability and how much profit it makes companies. Theres certain work women simply barley do at all...how many women plumbers, engineers, electricians, even basic jobs like gardening or paining and decorating or garden clearances? If women want to start these businesses I suggest they quit complaining and get off their backsides lose the chip on both shoulders and do it, like the rest of the entrepreneurs out there.

That is wrong, there is cases of council workers in yorkshire being found to be paid less.
I am not able to post links atm, but I assure you there is evidence of discrimination there.
There are traditionally male dominated professions... I don't understand what that has to do with this discussion?
However, the women in these jobs are as qualified as males in their professions obviously.

[Vanessa]

They are in my workplace. Most of my co workers are from India/Sri Lanka/Pakistan and they hate anyone who isn't from there.