[Marsh.]

Get rid of the rail altogether. So old fashioned.

[King Gizzard]

Can't believe she wasn't embarrassed enough to do the story

[Kizzy]

Agreed ben, and not forgetting that shortly those who work part time earning less than £9'440 won't contribute anything anyway...
There was some talk of free nursery placements for all children 2 and over for 15hs pw.
Based on that my guess is income support will cease to be for those whose youngest is over 2 and they will be moved to JSA.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by triplexxxmas

have you seen the price of a bag of crisp's

and most of it is air ...

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Is she is doing so well, why don't any of them have shoes

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ben

Not saying I agree with it, but if the government make it that you can earn more from benefits than working then that really says a lot about our country.

Yes it does... and yet when there are plans to examine the benefits system you'd think the plan was to reopen the workhouses. Actually, it's people like this woman who need their case examined. If she can afford to save £2000 then she is being paid too much in benefits. Being in receipt of benefits is not a job, benefits are meant to help people who, for whatever reason, are not working.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

cute

Life is a trade off. This woman can buy all the ipads and make up she wants, but when she dies, her children are going to have to pay for her funeral.

Other people go to work all their lives, don't have a lot of spare income, but when they die, they leave assets like a house to pass on to their children, so that they can raise their standard of living over the generations.

If this woman can save that money, then good for her. I don't see why people always have to look at what they have in their own lives in comparison to other people.

I'm very fortunate. I grew up in a lovely, picturesque Cotswold village. I went to good schools, university, I got a good job, saved some money, and started my own business, and bought my own flat.

I know full well that the opportunities I've had are not open to every one in the country, but I don't begrudge anyone else a thing. I try to live my life for me, and people I love. I wouldn't care if my neighbour was a benefits cheat.

People making too much on benefits, whilst the bankers around the world that nearly brought the planet to it's knees with extremely dodgy practices, get to moan about whether paying 50% tax will enable them to send Jeremy to summer camp in Florida.

It's all ****ing bollocks. Keep your head down, fight for the people that mean something to you, protect those that need help and stop looking over your neighbours fence.

[Niamh.]

Great post Jesus. I agree 100%.

[Livia]

This isn't about bankers' bonuses, it's about ordinary people who are working and contributing and having to make a choice about how many kids they can afford to have, and how much they can spend on Christmas. Lots of those people will not pass on any kind of property to their children. When this woman dies her children, who no doubt are being taught well, will probably carry on and live the same kind of lifestyle that their mother has shown them is so lucrative and the state will probably pay for the funeral. If you are able to save £2000 from benefits, while people who are working long hours in thankless jobs are scrimping and scraping, I fail to see how anyone can justify it.

There are people on this forum who, through no fault of their own are on benefits. I wonder how many of them have managed to save £2000 this year. I'm guessing... none.

It's obviously an exception.

Have you seen that program with that camp, black guy that tells you how to pay off your house in a year or something similar?

People can do all kinds of things to cut costs, and make extra money.

I just can't justify demonising this woman, or the benefits system for such an anomaly. People on benefits are not enjoying the high life. I'd wager 99.9% of them struggle just to pay bills.

Unless there has been a break down of her benefit payments and how she spends her money, then it's all speculation.

Sometimes people just get paid too much by the system because of human/computational errors. She's ****ed herself by appearing in the story, as the system will be all over her like a rash now. So ultimately, they will make it harder for her to maintain it. There are probably a few people scattered around, that aren't stupid enough to publicise it.

[Livia]

I hope they are all over her like a rash. Flaunting it in this way reinforces the idea some people have that being on benefits is an easy option.

[SharkAttack]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well I hope she has a nice Christmas on my tax.

The annoying thing about stories like this is that people who are struggling on benefits will be lumped into the same category by some, as this workshy leech.

This, this, this.

[Liberty4eva]

Stories like this make my blood boil. And I'm not even from the UK. No wonder so many in the 3rd world want to go to the UK.

[Vanessa]

This makes a mockery of honest, hard working people. It sounds like she's getting too much benefit. But from next year they will be cut. Let's see if she still thinks she's better off not working.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's obviously an exception.

Have you seen that program with that camp, black guy that tells you how to pay off your house in a year or something similar?

People can do all kinds of things to cut costs, and make extra money.

I just can't justify demonising this woman, or the benefits system for such an anomaly. People on benefits are not enjoying the high life. I'd wager 99.9% of them struggle just to pay bills.

Unless there has been a break down of her benefit payments and how she spends her money, then it's all speculation.

Sometimes people just get paid too much by the system because of human/computational errors. She's ****ed herself by appearing in the story, as the system will be all over her like a rash now. So ultimately, they will make it harder for her to maintain it. There are probably a few people scattered around, that aren't stupid enough to publicise it.

She has said she saves money throughout the year, however come april when universal credit comes in things will be very different.
Like you the demonisation of those in this socioeconomic group make my blood boil.
There but for the grace of god go I...
The worst are usually those who are one generation away from poor white trash, the daily mail reading Mrs Bucket pronounced bouquet types.

[Irene Pearson]

When we are taxed quite literally from the cradle to the grave it is natural to be a little tetchy about people who choose not to contribute , just take instead! That includes wealthy tax evaders who legitimately do the same.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

When we are taxed quite literally from the cradle to the grave it is natural to be a little tetchy about people who choose not to contribute , just take instead! That includes wealthy tax evaders who legitimately do the same.

It really winds me up. Most people are struggling to make ends meet because of the crisis. These people do nothing and get paid for it.

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

When we are taxed quite literally from the cradle to the grave it is natural to be a little tetchy about people who choose not to contribute , just take instead! That includes wealthy tax evaders who legitimately do the same.

Tax is something everyone pays, in order to contribute towards society. How many articles do you see written about non-famous tax evaders, stealing millions of pounds from us, as opposed to articles you see written in the right wing rags that impersonate journalists on a daily basis?

How many two thousand pounds do you want to take from people in order to pay for Lord Fauntelroys swiss bank account?

It's easy to demonise the poor, their friends aren't Lords, and newspaper editors. You can measure society by how well we care for those that have least amongst us. The wealth disparity between rich and poor continues to grow, yet we want to make that wider by taking more from the bottom?

It's a ****ing insane world. I'm not saying there aren't errors, but countries do better, when the gap between bottom and top is narrower.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It really winds me up. Most people are struggling to make ends meet because of the crisis. These people do nothing and get paid for it.

So lets play that out. Cut benefits away from everyone. Just stop it tomorrow. What happens then?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

So lets play that out. Cut benefits away from everyone. Just stop it tomorrow. What happens then?

I'm not saying cut them out completely. But some people get way too much. No wonder they don't want to work.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm not saying cut them out completely. But some people get way too much. No wonder they don't want to work.

What's too much, then?

If they have £10 in their pockets after bills, food and daily expenses, is that OK? £50? What's the cut off?

Nobody knows anything about this womans life, other than she saves £2000 over a year. She may serve beans on toast every night of the week, just to give her kids a really special Christmas.

Who knows?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

What's too much, then?

If they have £10 in their pockets after bills, food and daily expenses, is that OK? £50? What's the cut off?

Nobody knows anything about this womans life, other than she saves £2000 over a year. She may serve beans on toast every night of the week, just to give her kids a really special Christmas.

Who knows?

From next year they will cut benefits for everyone. I think that's fair. I believe everyone should go to work. I don't like spongers.

[Kizzy]

bazinga!
Hit the nail on the head there nessa... Whats the soloution? make work pay more than staying on benefits then.
Thats all most people want, not 2nd homes or duck houses..
A living wage so they can raise their children, not be a drain on resources and not be looked down on by those who are blinkered to the real issues of large scale corporate tax avoidance, and expenses fiddling (which equates to the same thing as it is creamed from taxpayers) that face the UK.

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Tax is something everyone pays, in order to contribute towards society. How many articles do you see written about non-famous tax evaders, stealing millions of pounds from us, as opposed to articles you see written in the right wing rags that impersonate journalists on a daily basis?

How many two thousand pounds do you want to take from people in order to pay for Lord Fauntelroys swiss bank account?

It's easy to demonise the poor, their friends aren't Lords, and newspaper editors. You can measure society by how well we care for those that have least amongst us. The wealth disparity between rich and poor continues to grow, yet we want to make that wider by taking more from the bottom?

It's a ****ing insane world. I'm not saying there aren't errors, but countries do better, when the gap between bottom and top is narrower.

I am not demonising the poor at all. Please do not misinterpret my words. How have you got to Lets take away all benefits. Is anyone suggesting that? Let us just agree to disagree.