[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Columbine had armed security in their school. They were outgunned by the powerful weapons carried by the kids, and forced into retreat.

They got lucky.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

majority of car accidents are preventable so I see car deaths as a greater problem than gun deaths.

As opposed to deaths caused by guns that are not preventable? Actually, how are car accidents preventable?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

As opposed to deaths caused by guns that are not preventable? Actually, how are car accidents preventable?

Uhhh, by people not being drunk.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Uhhh, by people not being drunk.

So all car accidents are caused by drink drivers? News to me.

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

majority of car accidents are preventable so I see car deaths as a greater problem than gun deaths.

Anyways, say what you will but if it wasn't for the right of citizens to own guns, the US might well still be a British colony. It serves as the last and ultimate check against authority and government that has overstepped its bounds.

Weapons have advanced to such a stage that if every citizen in America had guns, the government would still be able to kick your asses. Obama is droning the **** out of other countries. I doubt he's scared of a guy called buck, in Nebraska, clinging to his guns and religion.

Originally Posted by arista

They got lucky.

They didn't. they outgunned the security with superior fire power. No luck was involved.

[arista]

[Redway]

I see people like to blame trivial things rather than doing the obvious, i.e. banning guns. It's ridiculous.

[Nedusa]

I do not disagree win any of the points raised in his address , however the conclusions he draws ie that more guns are needed to make people safer is complete nonsense.

The proliferation of guns in the US has hit epidemic proportions with nearly a handgun for every member of society. Over 300 million at the last count, a crazy statistic together with the number of gun related deaths every year nearly 12,000 which is more than double all the countries of Europe combined.

It's time to reign the NRA , bring in legislation to amend or repeal the 2nd Amendment and start to get the guns off the streets. It will not be easy and may take a generation to achieve but it must now happen as tragedies like Newtown will just keep happening or perhaps worse...!!!

[Kizzy]

Safer entry systems and CCTV would delay any intrusion until an armed response arrived.
Why place anyone in danger?
If Americans really cannot live without weapons then I would say limit civilian held licences to be reduced to 1 handgun only. This would restrict access and hopefully reduce that terrible statistic of 11'000 deaths.

[Livia]

The "violent films and video games" argument is a weak one. The vast majority of people can differentiate between fiction and real life. Those that can't are already unhinged and would most probably be violent without watching films and playing video games.

[Liberty4eva]

If you're in favor of gun control, you oughta look up to people like Hitler and Stalin cause they definitely believed in gun control.

Bottom line, the government ultimately wants a population that is disarmed. And it has nothing to do with keeping people safe (as is often the garb) and everything to do with enhancing their power. An armed population is more independent and less inclined to look to government for subsistence and are less likely to offer up any kind of resistance to their authority. ALL OF THE DICTATORS in the past understood this and you think our governments don't understand this? Or perhaps you think our situation is different to other countries and our leaders want our guns because they genuinely care about our safety? If you believe that, I have some beach property to sell you in Montana.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Safer entry systems and CCTV would delay any intrusion until an armed response arrived.
Why place anyone in danger?
If Americans really cannot live without weapons then I would say limit civilian held licences to be reduced to 1 handgun only. This would restrict access and hopefully reduce that terrible statistic of 11'000 deaths.

No America would never do that.
Its built on the Rights to be Armed

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

If you're in favor of gun control, you oughta look up to people like Hitler and Stalin cause they definitely believed in gun control.

Bottom line, the government ultimately wants a population that is disarmed. And it has nothing to do with keeping people safe (as is often the garb) and everything to do with enhancing their power. An armed population is more independent and less inclined to look to government for subsistence and are less likely to offer up any kind of resistance to their authority. ALL OF THE DICTATORS in the past understood this and you think our governments don't understand this? Or perhaps you think our situation is different to other countries and our leaders want our guns because they genuinely care about our safety? If you believe that, I have some beach property to sell you in Montana.

Please explain how the US is in any danger of dictatorship. Please also explain what the function of the house and the senate is.

Obama could kick your asses if every one had 10 guns each, so being armed may have worked in the 1800's, but it might be time to grow up for you. Both personally and as a nation.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Please explain how the US is in any danger of dictatorship. Please also explain what the function of the house and the senate is.

Obama could kick your asses if every one had 10 guns each, so being armed may have worked in the 1800's, but it might be time to grow up for you. Both personally and as a nation.

The system we have today is not a dictatorship in the traditional sense but it is what Ralph Nader calls the two-party dictatorship. Obama couldn't kick our asses. He gets his power from the people. Without the people's tax dollars he couldn't purchase military equipment or pay the soldiers. He's not going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Why would the government kick our asses and lose all their power when it can exploit our asses?

[arista]

"worked in the 1800's"

America is a Young Nation
hated by many.
So there Guns will Stay forever
unless a Van with a Nuke goes off,
which could then change America

[Jamie585]

Bullsh*t Their just looking for excuses to save their own arse

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

The system we have today is not a dictatorship in the traditional sense but it is what Ralph Nader calls the two-party dictatorship. Obama couldn't kick our asses. He gets his power from the people. Without the people's tax dollars he couldn't purchase military equipment or pay the soldiers. He's not going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Why would the government kick our asses and lose all their power when it can exploit our asses?

That's my point. Why would he kick your asses? Why would any of the (so-called) modern democracies?

Once you accept that government isn't going to kick your asses, then you have to acknowledge that you no longer need arms to protect yourselves from government tyranny.

Originally Posted by arista

"worked in the 1800's"

America is a Young Nation
hated by many.
So there Guns will Stay forever
unless a Van with a Nuke goes off,
which could then change America

Someone's been watching his "24" DVD's.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Someone's been watching his "24" DVD's.

No


Its is possible to have a Nuke in the back of a Van
and it can go off,
thats the only thing that could change America

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's my point. Why would he kick your asses? Why would any of the (so-called) modern democracies?

Once you accept that government isn't going to kick your asses, then you have to acknowledge that you no longer need arms to protect yourselves from government tyranny.

LOL, tell that to the chinese. Or you know what, Jesus H Christ, just forget that. In fact forget everything I've told you so far because did you know there is no risk of our governments ever stepping over their bounds and going down the dark path? I've come to that realization by reading all the brilliant points you make. The government tells us over and over again that what they do is for our safety and benefit so it must be true. Why would they lie to us or deceive us? It's silly and crazy to think otherwise.

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

LOL, tell that to the chinese. Or you know what, Jesus H Christ, just forget that. In fact forget everything I've told you so far because did you know there is no risk of our governments ever stepping over their bounds and going down the dark path? I've come to that realization by reading all the brilliant points you make. The government tells us over and over again that what they do is for our safety and benefit so it must be true. Why would they lie to us or deceive us? It's silly and crazy to think otherwise.

You don't live in China, though.

If you don't like what the government does, then vote, but being a gun owner will have no influence on your government, or your personal say in matters.

I'm not saying your government is great, or even functional with crazy republicans who can't even pass their own bills when they are in the majority. Here's a question, how many times have your population been forced to take up arms against the government since independence?

[Stu]

The NRA are a sad and dangerous anachronism. They perpetuate the worst in the American psyche.

[Niall]

This is ludicrous. How dare he, the president of what's effectively a gun appreciation society try to shift blame onto the media. The people who are part of the NRA are the people that cause these shootings in America. They're the idiots that support the second amendment no matter how many people get shot from the lax gun controls it enforces.

Though the media may come into it partially, the NRA are bigger problem than the media could ever hope to be.

[Ammi]

..to me, saying that things like this are contributed to video games in any way is similar to saying that he ate a lot of bread, so it must have been the wheat that did it...I know that's not the same thing at all, as some people do contribute video games as 'desensitising' people...but I personally feel that these things are contributed to a chemical inbalance in the brain, which could be triggered by anything..or nothing..it could be the smallest, seemingly insignificant thing that triggers them...the brain is very complex...I don't think we'll ever fully understand what goes on inside people's heads or the cause of it, so when we don't understand things, there's a tendency to start 'laying blame'....